Since I can't add to a journal entry without deleting the comments already there, and since I wouldn't lose ANY of these for anything in the world, Ima gonna add the newest name additions here...lol
twatWHAAAAT?
twatwaffle ( I LOVE that one)
MEEzilla
I DON"T CARE
21:33:52 - Feb 28 2008
Times Read: 22
This is for RedQueen and all of the other femals on here that don't like me or trust me well guess what you can talk all the shit you want to about me in you're journals and things but know this I'm not going to provce my self to you all simply because I don't give a fuck what you all think or say about me. If ya don't like what I have written down tough shit.
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And she has the unmitigated GALL to bloke me so I can't SAY anything about this?
OHMIGAWD....LMAO
I so love being the stirrer of shit sometimes....
Ya know, if you hadn't been SO quick to assume someone was talking about you, NONE of this would have happened...
And as long as you keep HANDING me shit to entertain everybody with, guess WHAT?
I'ma gonna do that VERY thing....
I agree with my friends-
TWATZILLA.....
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see from where I stand it's more of
MEEEEEzilla. She seems to think our world revolves around her. lol
If she doesn't care then why make posts like this? *scratches head*
Ok- someone hit the rat up with the cliff notes on this shit, as I was gone during that flush.
;)
Cliff notes are availabe for the recent unpleasantness in my journal- but if you want the HOLE story *snark* come get me and I'll fill you in
If you have raised kids (or been one), and gone through the pet syndrome
including toilet flush burials for dead goldfish, the story below will have
you laughing out loud.
Overview: I had to take my son's lizard to the vet.
Here's what happened:
Just after dinner one night, my son came up to tell me there was 'something
wrong' with one of the two lizards he holds prisoner in his room.
'He's just lying there looking sick,' he told me.
'I'm serious Dad, can you help?'
I put on my best lizard healer face and followed him into his bedroom. One
of the little lizards was indeed lying on his back, looking stressed. I
immediately knew what to do.
'Honey,' I called 'come look at the lizard!'
'Oh my gosh!' my wife diagnosed after a minute. 'She's having babies.'
'What?' My son demanded. 'But their names are Bert and Ernie, Mom!'
I was equally outraged. 'Hey, how could that be? I thought we said we didn't
want them to reproduce,' I accused my wife.
'Well, what do you want me to do, post a sign in their cage?' She inquired.
(I actually think she said this sarcastically!)
'No, but you were supposed to get two boys!' I reminded her, (in my most
loving, calm, sweet voice, while gritting my teeth together).
'Yeah Bert and Ernie!' My son agreed.
'Well, it's just a little hard to tell on some guys you know,' she informed
me. (Again with the sarcasm, you think?)
By now the rest of the family had gathered to see what was going on. I
shrugged, deciding to make the best of it.
'Kid's, this is going to be a wondrous experience,'
I announced. 'We're about to witness the miracle of birth.'
'Oh, gross!' They shrieked.
'Well, isn't THAT just great! What are we going to do with a litter of tiny
little lizard babies?' My wife wanted to know. (I really think she was being
snotty here, too. Don't you?)
We peered at the patient. After much struggling, what looked like a tiny
foot would appear briefly, vanishing a scant second later.
'We don't appear to be making much progress,' I noticed.
'It's breech!' My wife whispered, horrified.
'Do something, Dad!' My son urged.
'Ok, ok.' Squeamishly, I reached in and grabbed the foot when it next
appeared, giving it a gentle tug. It disappeared. I tried several more
times with the same results.
'Should I call 911?' My eldest daughter wanted to know. 'Maybe they could
talk us through the trauma.' (You see a pattern with the females in my
house?)
'Let's get Ernie to the vet,' I said grimly. We drove to the vet with my son
holding the cage in his lap. 'Breathe Ernie, breathe,' he urged.
'I don't think lizards do Lamaze,' his Mother noted to him. (Women can be so
cruel to their young. I mean what she does to me is one thing, but this boy
is of her womb, for god's sake.)
The vet took Ernie back to the examining room and peered at the little
animal through a magnifying glass.
'What do you think, Doc, a c-section?' I suggested scientifically.
'Oh, very interesting,' he murmured. 'Mr and Mrs Cameron, may I speak to you
privately for a moment?'
I gulped, nodding for my son to step outside.
'Is Ernie going to be okay?' My wife asked.
'Oh, perfectly,' the vet assured us. 'This lizard is not in labor, in fact
that isn't EVER going to happen... Ernie is a boy.
You see, Ernie is a young male. And occasionally, as they come into
maturity, like most male species, they umm...umm... masturbate. Just the way
he did lying on his back.' He blushed, glancing at my wife. 'Well you know
what I mean Mr. Cameron.'
We were silent absorbing this.
'So Ernie's just... just... excited,' my wife offered.
'Exactly,' replied the vet, relieved that we understood.
More silence. Than my vicious, cruel wife started to giggle. And giggle. And
than even laugh loudly.
'What's so funny' I demanded, knowing, but not believing that the woman I
married would commit the upcoming affront to my flawless manliness.
Tears were now running down her face. Laughing
'It's just... that... I'm picturing you pulling on it's.. it's... teeny
little...' she gasped for more air to bellow in laughter once more.
'That's enough,' I warned. We thanked the vet and hurriedly bundled the
lizards and our son back into the car. He was glad everything was going to
be okay.
'I know Ernie's really thankful for what you've done, Dad.' He told me.
'Oh you have no idea,' I replied.
Close mouthed, my wife agreed, collapsing with laughter.
1.) Lizards - $140...
2.) Cage - $50...
3.) Trip to the vet - $30
4.) Memory of your husband pulling on your lizards winkle.... Priceless
Moral of the story - finish biology - lizards lay eggs.
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oh my gods that was funny as hell!
omg I almost pee miself laughing lol..rofl...man...they cant help it lol
This is funny!!!
This is an actual letter sent to an American company -- Proctor and
Gamble -- regarding their feminine products. She really gets rolling
after the first paragraph...
Dear Mr. Thatcher,
I have been a loyal user of your Always maxi pads for over 20 years
and I appreciate many of their features. Why, without the Leak Guard
Core or Dri-Weave absorbency, I'd probably never go horseback riding
or dancing, and I'd certainly steer clear of running up and down the
beach in tight, white shorts.
But my favorite feature has to be your revolutionary Flexi-Wings.
Kudos on being the only company smart enough to realize how crucial it
is that maxi pads be aerodynamic. I can't tell you how safe and secure
I feel each month knowing there's a little F-16 in my pants.
Have you ever had a menstrual period, Mr. Thatcher? Ever suffered
from 'the curse'? I'm guessing you haven't.
Well, my 'time of the month' is starting right now. As I type, I can
already feel hormonal forces violently surging through my body. Just a
few minutes from now, my body will adjust and I'll be transformed into
what my husband likes to call 'an inbred hillbilly with
knife skills'.
Isn't the human body amazing?
Seen quite a bit of research on what exactly happens during your
customer's monthly visits from 'Aunt Flo'.
Therefore, you must know about the bloating, puffiness, and cramping
we endure, and about our intense Mood swings, crying jags, and
out-of-control behavior. You surely realize it's a tough time for
most women.
In fact, only last week, my friend Jennifer fought the violent urge to
shove her boyfriend's testicles into a George Foreman Grill just
because he told her he thought Gray's Anatomy was written by drunken
chimps. Crazy!
The point is, sir, you of all people must realize that America is just
crawling with homicidal maniacs in Capri pants... which brings me to
the reason for my letter.
Last month, while in the throes of cramping so painful I wanted to
reach inside my body and yank out my uterus, I opened an Always maxi
pad, and there, printed on the adhesive backing, were these words:
'Have a Happy Period.'
Are you freakin' kidding me?
What I mean is, does any part of your tiny middle-manager brain really
think happiness - actual smiling, laughing happiness is possible
during a menstrual period?
Did anything mentioned above sound the least bit pleasurable?
Well, did it, James?
FYI, unless you're some kind of sick S&M freak girl, there will never
be anything 'happy' about a day in which you have to jack yourself up
on Motrin and Kahlua and lock yourself in your house just so you don't
march down to the local Walgreens armed with a hunting rifle and a
sketchy plan to end your life in a blaze of glory.
For the love of God, pull your head out, man!
If you just have to slap a moronic message on a maxi pad, wouldn't it
make more sense to say something that's actually pertinent, like 'Put
Down the Hammer' or 'Vehicular
Manslaughter Is Wrong,' or are you just picking on us?
Sir, please inform your Accounting Department that, effective
immediately, there will be an $8 drop in monthly profits, for I have
chosen to take my maxi pad business elsewhere.
And though I will certainly miss your Flex-Wing s, I will not for one
minute miss your brand of condescending bullshit. And that's a promise I
will keep, Always.
Name Protected,
Austin, TX
She keeps saying she doesn't want to hear it, she blocks me all the time, yet for some reason I am giving HER an excuse to come read my journal...lol
darkstar1811 wrote:
I'm tired of fighting with people such As Queenmorbid and her pals I want to be in peace
On 01:12:31 Feb 27 2008 (-6 GMT) RedQueen wrote:
You have no reason to be- I have never done anything to you-
On 01:12:02 Feb 27 2008 (-6 GMT) darkstar1811 wrote:
I'm not afraid of you
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ And again…
I mean I love Radu so much
On 01:12:31 Feb 27 2008 (-6 GMT) RedQueen wrote:
You have no reason to be- I have never done anything to you-
On 01:12:02 Feb 27 2008 (-6 GMT) darkstar1811 wrote:
I'm not afraid of you
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ And AGAIN
Message To: darkstar1811
darkstar, go sell this shit to someone who will buy it- I have been around this block too many times to waste my time with this bullshit out of you-
On 22:48:26 Feb 27 2008 (-6 GMT) darkstar1811 wrote:
I know you do
On 22:45:12 Feb 27 2008 (-6 GMT) RedQueen wrote:
I'm not even going to dignify that with an answer.
On 22:41:18 Feb 27 2008 (-6 GMT) darkstar1811 wrote:
Would you like for me to Die tonight
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Egads I got that too... wow.
*dies*
Ah for goodness sakes, gimme a tissue! *snorts*
After all this, she once again insisted she was
"just trying to make aminds"
When I tried to answer her by telling her that you do not "try to make aminds" by sending a message like:
"I'm not afraid of you"
I discovered, shock of shocks, that she had once again had me blocked...
Truth hurts, don't it, girlie.....
On 01:12:02 Feb 27 2008 (-6 GMT) darkstar1811 wrote:
I'm not afraid of you
On 01:12:31 Feb 27 2008 (-6 GMT) RedQueen wrote:
You have no reason to be- I have never done anything to you-
On 01:14:50 Feb 27 2008 (-6 GMT) darkstar1811 wrote:
I look at journals so what
On 01:16:03 Feb 27 2008 (-6 GMT) RedQueen wrote:
Have I asked you anything? Did I accuse you by NAME of anything? And why should I care if you read everything on my profile or journal? It is public- that means for EVERYBODY to see- so why should I care of you are one of the many?
On 01:18:21 Feb 27 2008 (-6 GMT) darkstar1811 wrote:
Others are makeing a big stink because I read there journals
On 01:19:46 Feb 27 2008 (-6 GMT) RedQueen wrote:
And what makes you think I am one of those people? To the best of my knowledge, I have not said anything to you AT ALL-
On 01:20:46 Feb 27 2008 (-6 GMT) darkstar1811 wrote:
Thats good so how are things with you
On 01:21:53 Feb 27 2008 (-6 GMT) RedQueen wrote:
You know what, I have absolutely NO desire to chat with you at all, lady- you have been rude, obnoxious, ugly and downright childish to me since I have known you- you made your point, you had your say, you made assumptions, and quite frankly I have nothing else to say to you
On 01:23:58 Feb 27 2008 (-6 GMT) darkstar1811 wrote:
See this is why I blocked you I come to make aminds and this is what you do
On 01:26:34 Feb 27 2008 (-6 GMT) RedQueen wrote:
The ONLY thing you want to do is cause trouble and get information about something that is none of your business- namely about Jake. If he wants you to know ANYTHING, he will tell you himself. And if he doesn't, you don't NEED to know.
The only reason you unblocked me was because you had been reading my journal, and you automatically assumed I was going to talk about you. I could care less about your petty little bullshit, and have no desire to be involved in your fucked up world. Put me BACK on block, DON'T talk to me, and go bother someone else.
On 01:29:02 Feb 27 2008 (-6 GMT) RedQueen wrote:
It is true and you know it-
Go peddle your paranoid bullshit somewhere else- I'm not buying, sweetie.
On 01:30:56 Feb 27 2008 (-6 GMT) darkstar1811 wrote:
And I love teh Wittyness
On 01:31:44 Feb 27 2008 (-6 GMT) RedQueen wrote:
You are a waste of my time, DarkStar-
On 01:32:33 Feb 27 2008 (-6 GMT) darkstar1811 wrote:
Good Go about you're life
Message To: darkstar1811
Last time I checked, that is precisely what I was doing-
COMMENTS
Well ... she's in your journal now =)
Well done dear!!!!!
Ahhh no asshole ever visit mine. lol
Wow, that's...interesting...
...what is it you are looking for?....
....What is it that you think you will find?...
....Do you HONESTLY think that I will waste space in MY journal to devote ANYthing to you by name?...
please.
GET. A. LIFE.
And stop trying to live off everybody else's....
STILL keeping me blocked? SOME one must be afraid of me...*chuckling*
OH HELL YEAH!
Love This Comeback
One of my sons serves in the military. He is still stateside, here in California. He called me yesterday to let me know how warm and
welcoming people were to him and his troops everywhere he goes, telling me how people shake their hands and thank them for being willing to serve and fight for not only our own freedoms, but so that others may have them also.
But he also told me about an incident in the grocery store he stopped at yesterday on his way home from the base. He said that, ahead of
several people in front of him, stood a woman dressed in a burkha.
He said when she got to the cashier she loudly remarked about the U.S.flag lapel pin the cashier wore on her smock. The cashier reached up and touched the pin, and said proudly, "Yes, I always wear it and probably always will."
The woman in the burkha then asked the cashier when she was going to stop bombing her countrymen, explaining that she was Iraqi.
A gentleman standing behind my son stepped forward. Putting his arm around my son's shoulders and nodding towards my son, he said in a calm and gentle voice to the Iraqi woman:
"Lady, hundreds of thousands of men and women, like this young man, have fought and died so that YOU could stand here, in MY country and accuse a check-out cashier of bombing YOUR countrymen. It is my belief that had you
been this outspoken in YOUR own country, we wouldn't need to be there today. But, hey, if you have now learned how to speak out so loudly
and clearly, I'll gladly buy you a ticket and pay your way back to Iraq so you can straighten out the mess in YOUR country that you are obviously here in MY country to avoid."
Everyone within hearing distance cheered!
IF YOU AGREE____ Pass this on to all your proud American friends.
I just did.
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Some people just know what to say.Nice!
Oh, Puppy, I just got to jack this, lol.
Whooo hoooo...that is awesome!!!
Oh hell Yeah! This is jacked too!
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Gee I can't imagine why spell check would have an issue with this?????!!!!!!
Yeap... puppy in the cheap hotel again, I see. ;)
LOL- funny sis.
Berkeley to Marine Corps: You're Not Welcome
Thursday , January 31, 2008
BERKELEY, Calif. —
Local officials in this liberal city say it's time for the U.S. Marines to move out.
The City Council has voted to tell the Marines their downtown recruiting station is not welcome and "if recruiters choose to stay, they do so as uninvited and unwelcome guests."
The measure passed this week by a vote of 8-1.
The council also voted to explore enforcing a city anti-discrimination law, focusing on the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy.
In a separate item, the council voted, also 8-1, to give protest group Code Pink a parking space in front of the recruiting office once a week for six months and a free sound permit for protesting once a week.
Marine Capt. Richard Lund of the recruiting office declined comment on the council action.
The recruiting office opened in Berkeley about a year ago, operating quietly until about four months ago when Code Pink began regular sidewalk protests.
"I believe in the Code Pink cause. The Marines don't belong here, they shouldn't have come here, and they should leave," said Berkeley Mayor Tom Bates.
Code Pink is circulating petitions to get a measure on the ballot in November making it more difficult to open military recruiting offices in Berkeley if they are near homes, parks, schools, churches, libraries or health clinics.
Some employees and business owners aren't happy with the weekly protests.
"My husband's business is right upstairs, and this (protesting) is bordering on harassment," Dori Schmidt told the council. "I hope this stops."
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Plus an unexpected response.....
Now check this out, here is a letter a businessman wrote to the Mayor
of Berkeley.
Is this a great country or what?
Dear Mayor Bates,
In that you and your city have chosen to gravely insult the brave men
and women, who have indeed bought you that right with their blood, I am
informing you that my company will no longer do business with any of
our current suppliers located in the Berkeley, California metro area.
In that my company is in international resort real estate development,
and do business with and am associated with, developers and investors
worldwide, I am informing all of my contacts, associates and patrons
that we will no longer do any business of any sort with anyone living
in the Berkeley area.
In that we/MDG Resorts are currently building a state of the art
mega-yacht marina, all of the suppliers of Marina equipment, all
owners
of Yachts, all suppliers of Yacht materials & supplies, all yacht
brokers and all tangential yacht business purveyors will likewise be
informed that we will not do any business whatsoever with anyone from
the Berkeley area.
Likewise all suppliers of building materials, both interior and
exterior, currently associated with any of our several resort
developments (Brisamar 300+ villas and 200+ condos: Porto Hussong,
www.portohussong.com " target=_blank
500+ condos, 180 slip mega-yacht marina) both of which I might add
have international recognition by virtue of glowing reports in Robb
Report, Wall Street Journal, Yacht World, Forbes.
I will likewise inform all of our investors, most of whom are very
wealthy yacht owners, casino owners, high net worth
international businessmen, of our decision to essentially boycott all
products and providers located in, or associated with in any
way whatsoever, Berkeley, Ca.
Trust me when I say that having been in the real estate development
business for over 35 years, our list of contacts and associates is
long
and very, very impressive. We, and I personally, are going to
recommend that they ALL along with us boycott your city, its
purveyors,
suppliers, and businesses and CHARITIES of every kind.
You have every right to choose to take the obnoxious anti-military
stance you have taken, and as stated, that right was bought for you
with the blood of better men than you.
I too have every right to do all that I can to insure that your city
suffers consequences arising from that obnoxious, sickening stance.
Cordially,
Brian G Dennard
Principal Director
Meridian Development Group, LLC
619 807 2444
www.mdgresorts.com
www.portohussong.com
hey..how re u?u seem sweet and sexy :)
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For all you know I may be bitchy and nasty-
But for SURE I am married and WAY too old for you.
This guy has NOTHING on his profile, and listed his birthday as 1987- mine is 1962- YOU do the math.
And Yes, it is on my profile. As is my age, and marital status.
COMMENTS
I'm pretty sure you ARE sweet and sexy, husband not withstanding!
Well you know, if you're married and here that means you want the attention.
ACK O.o
can I go on a rampage??? Purdy please?!
Knock yourself out, sugar- if you dont, I'm sure one of us WILL...lol
Wikipedia, under "Sushi"
"A Jason Roll is typically a spider roll with sashimi layered outside the rice. "
It is amazing what you find when you are trying to make a cheat sheet for your favorite sushi resturaunt...lol
COMMENTS
Yeahh! ahahahah THAT is great! I got made skillz like that.. hahahha
Yeap.. that is the bunny. You think she is all sweet and nice, then she puts the smack down on ya. lol
:)
A first-grade teacher, Ms. Brooks, was having trouble with one of her students. The teacher asked, "Harry, what's your problem?"
Harry answered, "I'm too smart for the 1st grade. My sister is in the 3rd grade and I'm smarter than she is! I think I should be in the 3rd grade too!"
Ms. Brooks had had enough. She took Harry to the principal's office.
While Harry waited in the outer office, the teacher explained to the principal what the situation was. The principal told Ms . Brooks he would give the boy a test. If he failed to answer any of his questions he was to go back to the 1st grade and behave She agreed.
Harry was brought in and the conditions were explained to him and he ag reed to take the test.
Principal: "What is 3 x 3?"
Harry: "9."
Principal: " What is 6 x 6?"
Harry: "36."
And so it went with every question the principal thought a 3rd grader should know.
The principal looks at Ms. Brooks and tells her, "I think Harry can go to the 3rd grade."
Ms. Brooks says to the principal, "Let me ask him some questions."
The principal and Harry both agreed.
Ms. Brooks asks, "What does a cow have four of that I have only two of?"
Harry, after a moment: "Legs."
Ms. Brooks: "What is in your pants that you have but I do not have?"
The principal wondered why would she ask such a question!
Harry replied: "Pockets."
Ms. Brooks: "What does a dog do that a man steps in to?"
Harry: "Pants."
Ms. Brooks: What starts with a C, ends with a T, is hairy, oval, delicious and contains thin, whitish liquid?"
Harry: "Coconut."
The principal sat forward with his mouth hanging open.
Ms. Brooks: "What goes in hard and pink then comes out soft and sticky?"
The principal's eyes opened really wide and before he could stop the answer, Harry replied, "Bubble gum."
Ms. Brooks: "What does a man do standing up, a woman does sitting down and a dog does on three legs?"
Harry: "Shake hands."
The principal was trembling.
Ms. Brooks: "What word starts with an 'F' and ends in 'K' that means a lot of heat and e xcitement?"
Harry: "Firetruck."
The principal breathed a sigh of relief and told the teacher, "Put Harry in the fifth-grade, I got the last seven questions wrong......
November of 2007- I go in to the driver's license center in Coquitlam to get myself a brand new Canadian driver's license. The lady behind the counter asked for my relevent paperwork and my current DL, which I handed over to her. Because I barely had my MO license before heading up here for good, there was nothing on it- duh, no brainer there...but because she couldn't get a history, I had to provide one from both MO and FL-
No biggie, head to the house, got one faxed and one mailed, and we're back to the office at the mall again.
THIS time we get a different lady, who now tells me that because I don't have a permenant resident CARD yet (the CIC is still hung up on my son for some reason), she can't issue me a DL. I told her that the OTHER lady there told me all I needed was my letter of residency, and my driving histories...she just says nope not going to happen....
When I went by to see the guy handling all my paperwork, I told him about this, and he tells me there is no reason why she should have told me no, that I can most assuredly get my DL with the paperwork I have. That I should go to this office at another address, that is where he sends all his customers, and he has never had a problem....
Yeah right....
So here we are, it has snowed muchly since Christmas, and this past Thursday we decided to just stay up all night, and get an early start, hitting all the government offices for various and assorted stuff. Since I can't afford to wait any longer for the CIC to quit chasing it's fucking tail and finalize my residency, I finally caved and decided to get my temporary SIN card (the equivalent to our SSN) so I could go back to work. THAT was a joy- we walked down from Scott's dad's office, got there just as they opened, the lady LOVED my accent (do ALL Canadians like that kind of thing? Is it THAT rare up here?) and it took me all of 10 minutes to get into the system, card to be here in 5 working days...
THEN we went to the aforementioned recommended Driver's license office....
No line
Nice looking lady....
NO HELP WHATSOEVER.....
"I need to swap mine for one of yours"
"DO YOU HAVE A PR CARD"
No, I was told that pending the scheduling of my ceremony, my letter from CIC and my histories was all I needed.
NOPE
AND
MY license was only good for the first three months I was in Canada...
I.E.
I have been driving around with an invalid license for TWENTY ONE MONTHS
Scott muttered under his breath that it was a good thing I only needed my work permit to get my SIN card...
*lady's ears perks up*
Work permit? you got a WORK PERMIT?
yessssssssssssss.......?
Oh, you could have used that to get your license, no problem-
So off like a bunny Scott runs to the car, in the snow, to get my permit, and hope is beginnig to once again spring eternal in my pitter pattering breast.....
So we hand her BACK all the paperwork, PLUS my work permit, and she says.....
"Oh....this is only good until July 24, if it were still good for 6 months we could have gotten you a permenant license, but with this, you can only get a temp license until you either:
A) get a PR CARD
or
B) spend ANOTHER $150 to get ANOTHER work permit, which I don't need IF I get my.....
PERMENANT RESIDENT CARD
I have had a multitude of people stop by, drop in, rate on, and what not...my question is this....
How many people actually GET the irony of my "soundbyte" from Beetlejuice?
*duly noted and changed for VW39's benefit...sorry
Bank of America blindsiding cardholders?
The nation's biggest bank is doubling interest rates for some of its most responsible credit card customers.
By BusinessWeek
Credit card issuers have drawn fire for jacking up interest rates on cardholders who aren't behind on payments but whose credit scores have fallen for other reasons. Now, some consumers complain, Bank of America is increasing rates based on no apparent deterioration in their credit scores at all.
The major credit card lender in mid-January sent letters notifying some responsible cardholders that it would more than double their rates to as high as 28%, without giving explanations for the increases, according to copies of five letters obtained by BusinessWeek.
Fine print at the end of the letter -- headed "Important Amendment to Your Credit Card Agreement" –- advised calling an 800-number for the reason, but consumers who called say they were unable to get a clear answer.
"No one could give me an explanation," says Eric Fresch, a Huron, Ohio, engineer who is on time with his Bank of America card payments and knows of no decline in the status of his overall credit.
Talk back: Has your card company jacked up your interest rate?
Bank of America spokeswoman Betty Riess confirms some bank cardholders could be receiving rate increases for reasons other than declines in credit scores, such as running higher balances with their Bank of America cards or with other creditors. She says the increases are part of a "periodic review" that assesses customers' credit risk.
Reiss declined to say if the Charlotte, N.C., bank had changed its credit standards, thereby bumping some consumers' rates, or how many cardholders were being affected by the review. Bank of America has 40 million U.S. credit card accounts.
Arbitrary and aggressive
Buzz about the letters is building on the Internet. Since mid-January, Credit.com, a credit card information site, has received 40 complaints from consumers whom Bank of America notified of sharp rate increases, even though they were current on their bills, says Emily Davidson, a Credit.com researcher. Complaint sites My3cents and Bank of America: Bad for America say they have received similar complaints.
The so-called opt-out letters give borrowers the option of no longer using their cards and paying off their balances at the old rates. But they must write Bank of America by later this month if they plan to do so. If they don't, their rates on existing and new balances automatically will rise.
What's striking is how arbitrary the Bank of America rate increases appear, credit industry experts say.
In recent years, many card companies have turned to a practice called "risk-based pricing," in which they will raise a regular paying consumer's rate because of a decline in the person's FICO score. FICO is a credit-risk score developed by Fair Isaac that includes a number of risk metrics the Minneapolis company doesn't disclose.
Credit reporting bureaus supply creditors with FICO scores along with other data, such as late payments and debts owed.
In a December hearing spearheaded by Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., senators slammed big card companies for using such pricing with customers who pay on time. By law, credit card lenders can change terms as long as they notify borrowers. Even so, JPMorgan Chase and Citigroup announced ahead of Levin's hearing that they would stop the practice of raising card rates based solely on FICO scores.
But Bank of America appears to be taking an even more aggressive stance because, beyond credit scores, it is using internal criteria that aren't available to consumers. That makes the reasons for the rate increases even more opaque.
"Congress has faulted credit card companies for lack of transparency in raising rates," says William Ryan, a financial industry analyst at Portales Partners, a New York research firm. "Bank of America is bringing it to a new level."
Analysts also say they are surprised by the magnitude of the rate increases Bank of America is imposing on affected cardholders.
Michael Jordan, 25, a software developer who lives in Higganum, Conn., says he received a letter from Bank of America in late January advising him that his card rate would rise from 9.99% to 24.99%. The software developer, who earns $80,000 a year, says he was "shocked" because his payments had been on time and his credit scores hadn't changed in the past year.
In fact, Jordan says, he has only $4,500 in overall outstanding credit card debt on two cards and that, on the Bank of America card in question, he had paid down his balance to $3,000 from $3,700 in August.
"His rate increase seems unjustified based on his credit profile," says David Robertson, the publisher of The Nilson Report, a credit industry trade publication.
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When Jordan called Bank of America about the higher rate, he says, the bank representative couldn't explain why his rate was going up. On a second call, he adds, the individual told him the reason for the increase was that he hadn't been paying down his balance fast enough, though he had lowered it by 19% in the past six months and was now utilizing only 54% of his $5,500 credit limit.
Riess, the Bank of America spokeswoman, declined to discuss individual rate increases or to list all the criteria the bank was using as reasons to raise rates on existing cardholders.
Analysts say the bank's move is obviously aimed at shoring up profits. On Jan. 22, Bank of America reported a 95% decrease in fourth-quarter earnings due mostly to increases in loan-loss reserves for consumer credit, including rising card charge-offs and write-downs in mortgage-related securities.
Rejecting the new rates isn't easy
Bank of America faces another profit sinkhole with its pending acquisition of troubled Countrywide Financial. Portales' Ryan notes that boosting rates on existing credit card holders is one of the quickest levers a bank can pull to try to boost earnings.
Bank of America hasn't made it easy for consumers to reject the new rates. The letters require that consumers write Bank of America to agree to no longer use their cards and pay off existing balances at the old rates -- they can't telephone to do so, nor does Bank of America provide a form or a return envelope.
Moreover, consumers don't have much time to respond. Cardholders say they got the letters in the latter half of January: Four of the letters obtained by BusinessWeek require a written response by Feb. 19, while the fifth requires a response by Feb. 29.
A response, of course, assumes consumers read the letter from Bank of America as they sort junk mail. "It's a reasonable assumption that most don't," says Karen Gross, a legal scholar on consumer credit and the president of Southern Vermont College.
Bank of America also benefits from consumers who do agree to pay off balances at the old rates and not use their cards again, says Nathan Powell, a credit analyst research firm RiskMetrics Group.
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The bank, he says, is clearly trying to protect itself from worsening credit card charge-offs ahead, something analysts widely expect in the card industry as the economy deteriorates.
Powell says the bank must have identified a list of other credit criteria besides FICO that it is using to screen cardholders and determined it's no longer worth new business if they don't accept the higher rates.
So far, Bank of America's charge-off rates have risen in line with the credit card industry, up to 5.08% of receivables at the end of the fourth quarter from 4.57% a year ago. "The bank doesn't want to get behind the curve," Powell says.
Bank of America is trying to get ahead of Amanda Pennington, 29, of Euless, Texas. She says the bank raised her credit limit three months ago from $5,000 to $8,000 because of her strong payment history. Then she got the letter from the bank in mid-January notifying that her rate would rise from 15.74% to 25.99%. When she called, she says, the bank told her it was raising her rate because her balance was now too high, though it was still under the higher new limit the bank had previously granted.
After paying tuition for a community college course, transferring another balance and paying for daily expenses, Pennington's Bank of America debt now stands at $7,500. Bank of America declined to comment on individual customers.
Adam Levin, the CEO of Credit.com and former head of New Jersey's Division of Consumer Affairs, says he is surprised Bank of America would risk bad public relations with its rate increases, given the congressional hearings in December.
The bank risks alienating new customers and existing ones by being so brazen, he says, adding, "Either Bank of America has more financial troubles than it is willing to admit or it has a level of institutional arrogance that is unacceptable."
This article was reported and written by Robert Berner for BusinessWeek.
Published Feb. 8, 2008
COMMENTS
I'm sorry to say BoA isn't the only bank that does this. I can personally speak of WaMu, CapitalOne, and CitiBank all having the same practices. The banks are doing this simply because they can - and for all of the unsuspecting masses who blindly just pay their bill every 30 days, never looking at their statement - that is the price they pay (for not taking the responsibility to look at their accounts).
The banks will always work with you if you take the time to talk to them; and threaten to take your money some place else.
On another note .. BoA has lately come into the business of buying other banks - so while you might get away from them now - within a year, you could be right back where you are today. (sorry for the length)
The above comment is true, except for the statement of BOA "lately" staring buying iup other banks. BOA is the old california based BOA in name only. Bank of America was bougt about 6 years ago by Nations Bank from Charlotte. They liked the Bank of America NAME better, so the name of the entire operation was changed to BoA. Nations Bank was one of the original banks to start the feeding frenzy of buying up every bank possible (With cross-town rival First Union (Now Wachovia) being the other big bank eater.
Problem is, I HAVE to have an account in the states, for a credit card, so that I can do what I need to do when I go to visit my son in Florida- and anything else I need to do- so what is the answer? I have already threatened BoA with taking my business elsewhere after I caught them taking $20 a month for a finance charge when it clearly says in the agreement that as long as I kept $5000 in one of the accounts I had, everything was free. I got the money back, but I shouldn't have to watch every move the bank makes every second of the day. If I wanted to do that, I would just keep my money in the matress.
I love how the banking community screws over the masses. If at all possibly go through a credit union so atleast it is member owned.
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queenmorbid
22:54 Feb 29 2008
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queenmorbid
03:23 Mar 01 2008
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