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The 13th sign of the zodiac, unlike the other 12 signs is actually associated with a real person. In the 27th Century BCE in Ancient Egypt lived a man known as Imhotep. Imhotep was known as ‘Aesclepius’ by the Ancient Greeks, however the attributes are the same under either name.

One of Imhotep's abilities was healing and it is said that it was he who introduced it to mankind. His accomplishments also included a wide knowledge of medicine. The serpent or snake symbol which is still used today to symbolize the medical profession was also used to represent Imhotep. Below is a list of attributes associated with the Serpent Holder, Imhotep i.e Aesclepius. The descriptions below are associated with the 13th sign - Ophiuchus.

Many people are envious of this subject as he progresses well throughout life.
A seeker of wisdom and knowledge
Many people are jealous of this person
Tends to go for the more flamboyant in dress sense, favouring bright colours.
Authority looks upon him well.
Would make a great architect or builder.
Number 12 is this persons lucky number.
This person will have a big family but leave home at an early age.

This is the Zodiac as some astrologers believe it should be:

ARIES = APRIL 19 - MAY 13
TAURUS = MAY 14 - JUNE 19
GEMINI = JUNE 20 - JULY 20
CANCER = JULY 21 - AUG 9
LEO = AUGUST 10 - SEPTEMBER 15
VIRGO = SEPTEMBER 16 - OCTOBER 30
LIBRA = OCTOBER 31 - NOVEMBER 22
SCORPIO = NOVEMBER 23 - NOVEMBER 29
OPHIUCHUS = NOVEMBER 30 - DECEMBER 17
SAGITTARIUS = DECEMBER 18 - JANUARY 18
CAPRICORN = JANUARY 19 - FEBRUARY 15
AQUARIUS = FEBRUARY 16 - MARCH 11
PISCES = MARCH 12 - APRIL 18

copied from www.loveastrology.com

Know my question is - do any of you fall under what is considered to be this 13th Zodiac and if so - does the description above accurately describe you?

Do you think this Zodiac sign should still be a part of today's Zodiac?

Looking at your Astrology chart, the monthy cycles for the signs are all "off"... as example the sign of "Scorpio" is for only "8" EIGHT days?
i don't believe in a "13th Astrological Sign".

Leo

I have to agree, it seems too "off" for my liking. I think I like how the zodiac turned out better than if it had included this thirteenth sign.

When it comes to things of this nature, I'm fairly neutral. If it works mathematically, without flaws, then it works. If it doesn't, it's more or less entertainment.

This holds remarks about religion please don’t take it as an attack.

Interesting and a good debate for sure …
Ophiuchus is an ancient Greek constellation a man holding a serpent sign and is a sun sign.
As I understand the stories found in most religions has a profit and 12 followers.
This for me is astrological and sun worship.
The serpent was seen as all knowledge and hated by some even demonized.
So I should imagine there is a link with this sign and the antichrist.

You will find 2012 also linking in nice with this sign

the zodiac signs were said to originate in china or somewhere like that where 12 was a lucky number.
similar to the chinese years which can further determine our personality in relation to star sign.

12 was considered a lucky number, eg: 12 hours on the clock, 12 months in a year, 12 disciples and apostles, 12 chinese years, 12 star signs etc.

so i personally doubt that there is such a thing as a 13th zodiac, but it still sounds plausible

Interesting...by adding this thirteenth sign to the pack, it would throw off the others even more.
The reason I say 'even more' is the fact that the sun goes through each sign, but each sign is of a different size/scale...so, the sun's progression isn't going through each of the signs equally. Some signs should have more days - some less.

I was always under the impression that the 13th was reserved for the divine (thats why its unlucky). it also has to do with the whole 2012 thing it lines up with the center of the galaxy.

You are right that there is a thirteenth sign, BUT the thing that is missed is that the zodiac is veiwed by where the sun is in relation to that constellation. early astrologers found that the sun did move through the "heavens" at an equal rate all year long and what you have is based on a lunar phase much like the celts used in those days. I think that where you got this information may have tryed to adapt the callends to match. this doesnt work though. you need to find out where the constelation is in the sky and look at an ephermeris to find when the sun passes through it to have the correct dates.

Be very careful about any info that is sketchy like this as there are alot of people that are out there that make things up to try to seem importand and it screws up those who truely want to be spiritual.

hmm i guess adding the mythical 13th sign it changes others zodiac I know by pretty much all zodiac of this nature I fall under Taurus however my birthday falls under ares according to your chart

so im not sure exactly if this zodiac is true or not,its hard to say though if thats the case since each zodiac over all governs a month 12 months 12 zodiacs it means by that logic there would be a missing 13th month in which this sign governs or a different sign governs mostly

by that version of the zodiac, i would be a libra, which i'm nothing like according to the description of a typical person born under the star sign of libra.
i personally think this idea is crap, there aren't 13 months, so why should there be 13 zodiac signs? everything would have to be changed in accordance, especially all of the astrology books and knowledge and so forth.
and what about the older generations? how would they feel if they'd been lied to their whole lives? :P
true or not, it's best to stick with what you know!

OH throw in a curve to confuse me. This would change my sign to Leo. I still think of myself as a Virgo. But it makes for a interesting view.

i am a taurus and certainly do not "feel" like an aries nor would i like to think the 13th sign is established and appropriate enough to be included.


maybe, in Egyptian Astrology...but that's about it.

I think there is some truth to the 13th sign being bad luck to some of us

I am with RazaelRiezen on this. I too am a Taurus, but the way you have structured it, I would be an Aries. Granted that I am on the cusp of that sign, I have always thought myself a Taurus.

If you "feel" more like one Astrological sign than your Birth sign, it's because your Moon sign is responsible for your emotions.

Leo

It sure would benefit the person that sells the new charts!

I know the whole concept of profit as motive is cliché .. But if it was right at least once.. (does the math) .. Whoosh I don't need an astrologist to calculate that profit.

i have heard that the 13th sign is just made up like something for hollywood movies,that is was something based on fiction rather than proven fact.

that list of dates for astrilogical signs is waaaay out. For one I am a taurus gemmini, and accoring to that one i am a taurus.

I dont believe that there is a 13th zodiac sign personaly.

In aggreance to the female a few places above me. The 13th sign is a bad luck to those of most of the zodiac. I definitely agree with leo about her chart being off..

I personaly dont believe in them. I have noticed that sometimes depending on which day you are born you can be in one and you read another and you could be in the next. It gets confusing at times.

As always, this response is not a be all end all by any means, but what you may find through this website is a bit interesting pertaining to the 13th Zodiac.

Nasa and Dec 17th

It does explain a possible scenerio concerning the sign as well as a mathematical response.

I've never heard of the 13th sign until now, but I've always been curious why the slight wobble in the earths rotation isn't taken it to account. If it was and our personalities are somewhat dependent on which stars we are born under, shouldn't those signs have shifted on the calendar slightly over the centuries?

I took a physics class that had to do with astronomy and they pointed out that in reality the stars associated with the original Horoscope charts have moved approximately 3 months on the calendar.

Throwing a 13th sign in there really puts it out of wak. I'd have to do some research into this subject, it does sound like it may make for some facsinating reading.

i do not believe in the 13th zodiac but your chart is way off i have done research on this and i am Scorpio under the old zodiac and under the 13th zodiac and according to your chart i would be a libria which i am definitely not

Who suggested this as a possibility in the Astrological Community, how is it accepted by the astrological practices, think of the charts that will need to be bought. books,..

It also depends on which calendar base you are looking to...Some look to the gregorian, others like I do look to the year of light, or Anno Lucius.

I think the only thing that seperates the two is when one looks at both calendars, instead of being in 2008, we would be in 6008.

How this effects the zodiac? Well, since we would technically be in 6008 from the creation of the world which is the year of light respectively, then the differance between when January is verses December would be significant. Much like the arguement of when Christmas truly is, December or April.

I need to clear one thing up - there was once a thirteenth sign - there is not a question on that - there was a story on the Discovery science channel on it about 2 months ago! This 13th sign was not recognzed by all religions and nobody is trying to re-introduce it.

My question was - according to what the descriptions of the signs were with the 13th sign in it - does this change what sign you are and do you think this chart adequately describes you?

Thank you to Lavisbre and Soulshroud for looking into this subject. Your posts were very good and appreciated for showing me a little more info on this subject. The NASA report was great!

Perhaps if others actually read the entire post and responses they could contribute more to this subject.

well, o have some of the characteristics listed, but i was born in April. for the most part i think i know someone that falls under the 13th zodiac sign. they are jealous of everyone that preforms better than them at math and art. he enjoys studying and is very knowledgeable. he is set on becoming an architect.

It may look good in theroy but, it throws everything off I am not a saggitaruius have no characteristic's of one.
Maybe you should have researched this better or the one who created the site, all the characteristic's of the signs would have to be updated. Till then i will remain a capricorn.

The sign is also referred to as Serpentarious. The primary reason it isn't included in the 'traditional' zodiac is because it isn't a constellation that is not ALWAYS in the heavens, unlike the others. Only shows up every now and again.

As a Serpentarious myself, and also a Sag, I find this fascinating. Nothing will actually change, but the fact that the sign is there does help explain why some people who are very much one sign or another display First House characteristics of another sign....the slightly 'off' nature of things.

But hey. I could be crazy.

I know in the 13 Ghosts they have 13 Zodiac signs. Anyway all the signs are off like if you are a leo you should be the one that follows it....at least thats what I know

well 13 is an intrest number
but
i dont think there is a 13 sign
it would make it the what was it scrpio would be 2 sings at once

it just dosent add up

i definately do not fit that decription iam a pieces but now sooo is my BF mtlwolf and HE definately fits the TYPE who would fall under that sign he is very goodie two shoes , up holds the law to a sicking in my gut he cant even pull out of the drive way with out his seat belt ugh he builds models and is expressive on his terms

it's an interesting theory but i simply do not believe the 13th sign to be one of truth.

I dont believe in the 13th sign. According to this I would not be a virgo anymore but instead would be a LEO

I don't believe in the thirteenth sign. It knocks everything too far off.

I'm a Libra but on this I'm a Virgo. I don't really act like a Virgo though. I'm more on the Libra side because of my sweet personality and indecisiveness.

I think it would be cool if the 13th sign was actually added in to the zodiac but it would probably throw some people off or it might not. I don't know. =)

It's strange, because there's more days in virgo.

I don't think it works, because everything gets muddeled up, and I stick to 12 zodiacs, because there's 12 months in a year. Each zodiac should be really associated with each month and people in between would be cusps like me. Libra/Scorpio, and 2 days into Scorpio. A week before the change over and a week after the change over.

My sign is Sag if you go by 12 signs. December 7 but looks like i am 13 how lucky is that lol.

I like being Gemini and i agree with the 12 signs for our 12 months lapsus, if its 13 i would be a Taurus..Moo?

"Ophiuchus (also knowen as Asclepius ), the ancient , mythological god of medicien and healing . There was a shrine to Asclepius on the Acropolis in Athens , where the sick gatherd in the hope of being healed ". I think the idea of a healer in the zodiac is cool , I don,t think the current popular zodiac would adapt to fit a new order of 13 . I think most people are happy with the way things are already . Did you also know that the luna zodiac also has a 13th sign , that of Arachne the spider (13th may to the 9th june ) people born under this sign are supposed to have higher than average chance of having psychic abilities . I think 13 fits better with the luna zodiac , 13 months in a year , each month has 28 days based on four seven day phases of the moon , it fits ,hang on isn,t that the chinese zodiac , ok i,am off to do some more reasearch .

unless this new zodiac was based off the Mayan calender i dont think this one is true. here is a wiki on the Mayan CalenderMayan Calender wiki

I know this may be a little off base, but after carefully reviewing all the comments in this discussion I believe myself being a taurus would be totally rediculous. A cancer maybe but highly unlikely. I don't believe that the number thirteen to be unlucky at all some of the best things in my life have happend on friday the 13th and the worst thing also. My son passing away but I don't look as thet to be unlucky just coincidence of the day.

Hmm,looking at your chart there,even with the 13th sign,my sign remains the same.I do feel I have an association with the number however,birthday on the 13th,phone number 1300,license plate 013..address 113..and alot more...I have no clue which one would be correct,but its interesting.

With the zodiac, the beginning and ending of every sign morphs into the next. As a result, some traits carry over during the course of that transitionary time. In this, it could be argued that enough days are almost accrued for a thirteenth sign.
That, and the attributes of all other signs contributing into the "persona" of the thirteenth sign would arguably make it special.

I think it may serve you well to check your sources against some other material. Not to say your absolutely wrong, but that whole things seems a rather bit unlikely.
As far as your actual question, my sister does and that does not describe her at all. She is much more the traditional

imhotep like the dude from the mummy?

im a pieces, we are the newest to astrology, if a 13 sign was created or has been then real signs would be shown of difference

Dutchess,it doesnt change mine at all,Which actually got me thinking about something...Before I post that,I am wondering about others whos sign doesnt change too.I need to do look into that a bit forsho.

Seems fascinating but it`s false.

The Coptic calendar (associated with Imhotep) has 3 seasons and 13 months indeed but it`s linked with the agricultural activities of the river Nile.
So if you are an Egyptian surely is applying to you.If not... I don`t know...
The orthodox population from Egypt still use it.

The way you present it is new for me.It might be a gnostic originated interpretation of the calendar because the names of the months are different of the coptic ones:

Toth, Popi, Hator...

I am under the 13th sign I was born 12-05-1971.Now I know why I am studying to be a healer it is apart of me .

Zodiac There is thirteen to be exact. They however as any one knows that studied alchemy, Greek philosophy and the science of astrology would be wise in such knowledge to know the fact is that~ The Zodiac was changed by the Roman Empire during the Rein of Constinetine to prevent a Holy blood war between Christains and Pagan Greeks.
The Zodiac months were then redisigned by the Christian in order to conseal their true alignment due to the constillations Powers in Pagan rituals.
Thus deeming the number thirteen as evil as it is known to belong to the constellation and Planet:Darconis or Draco meaning Dragon. those that followed draco believed by christians reveared it to be the winged Devil: Lucifer.
Only thirteen constellation are seen in both the Northern and Southern hemispheres, including Dracro.
Thus the Zodiac was created by the pagan greeks in accordance to those constellations.
The Zodiac calendar was changed as well to meet twelve months starting at mid month and ending in the next around the 20th or 21st.
The pagan Zodiac, follows one month alone from new moom to new moon, and should you count them as well as full moons in any calendar year, you wil find, there are THIRTEEN of each.
So actually to follow the Zodiac alignmnt you must follow the precise month you where born in, and find the new moon to it.
More of such knowledge and teaching will be posted under my journal when completed.
As far as medicine it was founded by the greeks and is why all medical terms to this day are still in Latin/Greek language. Look them up! the are not Eygptian, even though the had their own medical beliefs.

Imhotep was the man who designed the first pyramid of Egypt, the step pyramid. A great achievement.

http://z.about.com/d/archaeology/1/0/A/n/step_pyramid.jpg

i too think that the zodiac would be off because of th 6 days in the scorpio sign

I have not checked but does the sun and other planets actually move through this alledged 13th Sign. The western zodiac is based on where the sun, moon and planets are in the sky and in which contellastion at the exact time of birth. The common zodiac dates of the 12 signs are just a basic explination of what sign you are when you are born but to be accurate you need the exact time of birth too so that the astrologer can check where the planets are and where other signs are in relation to your base sign.

So, unless you are born while these conditions mean that they are in the 13th Zodiac sign then you cant possibly be that sign.

There is already a corner on the market with the 12 signs, by changing it to 13, there would be an influx, confusinon, and profits will drop... causing that section of the market to drop to the point of dying... then where will people be? I say we keep it the same, because the market on it has already been sealed and there is no room for change

The thing is this, even the dates are debatable on the regular listing of the sun signs. Some end them at the 19th of the month and others around the 20th or 21st most often. The truth is it depends by the year if you are close to the beginning of a sign or near the end. The dates are only a rule of thumb to give one an idea of where you might fall. I have done charts where the person's birthday was on the last day of a so-called sun sign and they were 2 days or so already into the next sign. You have to figure the actual chart unless you are smack-dab in the middle of it. The sun sign is only a small portion of what a person is made up of. The ascendant (rising sign) is far more important in my mind to the sun sign. Quite frankly everything on a chart means something. It is very detailed and mathematical. How all the planets are placed in Houses forms a pattern and they look at that. They look at how many of each element you have and the degrees, minutes and hours fall into various places and the list goes on. The sun sign is a small drop in the bucket to the overall chart. Even if you were to add a 13th sign it's debatable how it would impact the overall chart. Interesting idea but I think it is just another idea to sell books, lol. You would have to have a program or whole new set of books to be able to figure all of this and it would throw the House system off as well. I see no point in changing something which has been deemed to be one of the main systems of astrology.

i always thought this was just made up by fictional authors and movies such as 13 ghost,but then agian in early time periods our calanders were different so why not signs,but i just don't know.

Well according to the revised Zodiac I would be a Leo which I am nothing like. There is nothing about the characteristics of Leo that fit with me.

I also feel the wrongness of the added zodiac sign. All the current zodiac signs are balanced and equal and this throws that balance off completely.

I don't think there ever was or ever will be a 13th Zodiac.

Interesting, but people tend to stick with what they know. I am a cusp person, so I doubt any changes in the Zodiac would make much difference for me.

I have heard of the 13th zodiac sign but if it was ever used it must have been through not a very good idea as we work with 12 signs now and have done for over 1,500 years plus according to the chart I would be a Capricorn which doesn't suit my Aquarian personality at all well, i should know I have Dad and a Cousin who are Cap's and we nothing alike:)

Interesting idea through.

Personally, having the 13th zodiac sign part of the zodiac would be natural for humanity. It would cause chaos and disorder in the world which is a good thing. The world is a boring place to begin with.

I agree with Leoder, that the days are off having the 13th Zodiac sign in today's current Astrology. Not to mention, and this is just my opinion, but many of the astrological signs also have corresponding constellations in the galaxy because astrologers used astronomy to help them calculate the various days for the zodiac.

I find the legend of Imhotep(sry if I spelled it wrong without looking lol) to be very intriguing, don't get me wrong. I just don't think it would make sense to have the 13th zodiac sign when astrologers in the western worlds have been using the original 12 for centuries!

first, im reminded of a line from life of brian.
the wise men come to the wrong manger and find brian of nazerath. mom asks what sign the baby is...
they reply capricorn
she asks "what are they like?"
they tell her "he is the prince of peace, the messiah, the king of the jews!"
she replies back..."so thats a capricorn is it?"

love that scene.

the dates as given above dont add up, they are uneven, and astrology, whether you believe in it or not, has a basis in mathmatics, so you wouldnt find things so out of whack.

as for the unlucky nature of 13, that has to do with the fate of the knights templar (look it up, quite fascinating really).

i never read of a special place for the number 13 till that time (friday, oct 13, 1307)

take care
~W~

Makes me think of a deck of cards. 52 weeks in a year= total cards, 13 cards to a suit=zodiac, 4 suits=moon phases or seasons.

I would be a Leo either way and yes I act very much like a typical Leo.

Some would argue ~Lordwolf~ about the date of 1307, that it was actually 1314. But I will not spoil this thread with all that jazz.

i think there should be a thirteenth zodiac sign because it might explain everyones horoscopes better. my horoscope is always wrong and i think this explains why it is so. the zodiac sign i thought was mine, really isnt

I am there
dec 13
only part that is true isleft home at a early age
seeker of wisdom and knowledge in areas that interest me
if fav# was 13 then have that one also

but tehn sag isn't the whole me Ifind that i am parts of both

i do have most of these traits. i do belive that their should be a 13 th zodiac sign

Personally, I don't think a 13th sign is plausible. Aside from the fact that I am nothing like a Capricorn, why would they suddenly bring this knowledge up front of a 13th sign and completely negate thousands of years of astrology to bring forth a 13th unlucky sign? It doesn't make sense, and I shant acknowledge it, as is my right.

This new sign being incorporated into the zodiac chart makes me a Cancer. I have no traits of a Cancer. My birthday is Aug 2nd...I was born a Leo and I have alll the traits of a Leo. I am a classic Leo. I do not believe any of this to be true because of this.

No because your chart makes me not a aries and my traits are that of an aries not a pisces.... as for the description for Ophiuchus its a good description for myself and many others that I know and they do not fit in the "birthday range". Plus the fact that someone like that with abilities that sound close to mine, would never be classified in the birthday range of only one month span.

I shall also mention the fact that there use to be 13 month, along long time ago meaning that chart is way off! Or someone made it up...

Well I was born on the 10th June 1988 that makes me a Gemini but with the "13th" sign of the zodiac, what would that make me????

Well this is interesting.
According to your chart I fall under the 13th zodiac sign.
I was Born December 3rd.
I do have all of those traits. I love to build and create, I did leave home at a young age and never looked back. All of my so called friends always thought they had to compete with me.
I’ve all ways thought of my self as a Sagittarius, but do not have any of those characteristics.
And Here is something else that is weird:
My daughter was born Nov 30
I was born Dec. 3
My mother was born Dec 4

In addition to my NOT having a single trait of a Cancer.. my child is a Pisces.. this chart has him as something different. My son has all the qualities of a Pisces baby lol

A person's personality has nothing to do with their "zodiac sign". The original zodiac is also different from the one we see more of today. I am a Cancer but originally i would have been a Leo by birth month.

actually someones personality DOES have a lot to do with the lining of the stars and planets... your zodiac alone isn't all of your personality... you have houses... and each house is owned by a planet and all of those put together can easily describe someone's personality.

so in reality it really does... many things can be explained by the lining of the planets around us. Including how our planet works with weather/ gravitational pull/ plant and animal behavior and so much more.

I don't agree that there is a 13th zodiac... there are many other constellations that we DON'T use in the zodiac...I believe this is one of those... plus many of the widows for particular signs are WAY off...so it doesn't make any sense.

It's ok if you wanna believe that GodOfChaos, but I don't believe in everything people put out there. I believe a person's personality has to do with one's parental guidance, their peers, their own personal life experiences, environment and so forth. The planets and their alignment and MY behavior of things, has nothing to do with this factor. So call me ignorant, whatever. I have my own thoughts too on people that actually believe this stuff and take it seriously. *shrugs*

We are who and what we are. We were born without the authority of stars and constellations. Two people had the hots for each other, they did the nasty, and we were born. They did this without regards to the position of the stars etc.

As far as I am concerned, when man made his first beginnings here on earth, they didn't have astrology and the signs. That came about later on when someone thought of a way to make money. And now look at all the astrology books that people buy and all the people that read their horoscope. The horoscopes can easily be fit to ANYONEs life regardless of what their sign is.

Just a bunch of hogwash.

Both of my boys were born in July. Under what modern day astrologists call Cancer's.

ok born under the 13th sign and do see that I match some of the personalities and also have some of the personalities for the Sag but disagree with most as I believe that we are who we are and if you take a look at all the personalities of each sign mix them up you will find that you match 1 or more personalities of each sign either the negative or positive and we should not let the zodiac dedicate who we should be and are but let life experiences likes dislikes do that

I'm not saying just your general sign will tell you about your personality... But it does a great job of telling MAJORITY or people born in that time.... if you do more research with the zodiac... there are 12 houses and your main sign is the head.... all the houses will describe different parts of your life... and all of the 12 houses together usually do a pretty good job of describing someone's personality...

you have to know the exact time to the minute you were born and the location and being male or female will also change things a bit.

But no I can't say it works for everyone... some will doubt EVERYTHING as well becase some people just have no faith in anything but themselves... but it does work for MANY.

The solar system holds a lot of information that ancient civilizations seemed to understand... but as we developed as a species...we have forgotten.

And when I talk of Zodiac... I mean an IN DEPTH reading... not the shit you buy in mags at the store. Those are fake... but it's obvious most people who post here don't study zodiac in depth too much....

GoC post wasn't directed to you specifically and know that there is more to the zodiac then the sign they were born under

had a full reading done about 7 years ago and what was told me in that reading was not me at all only a very small part was as many things that was mentioned the opposite was positive for me but then could have been the person who did the reading was a flake

there are many fakes out there...
if someone charges you money... they usually are.
thats like a paster charging you cash to
ask him a question...
people like this are OBVIOUSLY frauds.

you also have to study befor you get a reading...
because how can you know if they are flat out lying to you?

Just like everything else, we should become familiar
with things thoroughly before we take the word of a stranger...
or try to speak of things ourselves without fully understanding.

astrology was never my thing til my son turned 3 almost 18 yrs ago did readings using 3 decks of tarot cards or used the ouiji board til one morning coming home from work caught him with the board out of its sack kept in and the covering off it

a Ouija board for astrology?
New... aren't Ouija boards used to communicate with spirits?
I'm interested to find out how astrology and the board
worked out for you... I've never heard of that done...

I fall under the 13th sign..and they do fit me..

oops..i forgot to add that oddly my Birthdate is 12/12

sorry was tired when posted meant never understood astrology usually did readings with tarot cards or used a ouiji board

oooh... I was like....dude! you can use a Ouija board for this?!?
lol....

yeah... well back to the topic of the 13th zodiac....
I still think it's false figuring the zodiac is based on the 360 degree circle.

The old zodiac only had 8 ten a newer version had 12... but
both are numerals of 360...while 13 is not...


The 12 zodiac symbols and the 12 months have no correlation.

but the thing is if you know about the history of what the calendar we use today it was based of a 13 month cycle not the 12 month cycle we know today. it wasnt until about the times of the raise of the Christian faith that it was done away with and that 13th month and 13th zodiac sign was done away with due to the math didnt work out the right way. so is it real maybe it was when the yearly cycle was based on a 13th month cycle. now a days i dont think so.

we may have been on a 13month cycle once upon a time...
but as I staed before..... tha zodiac was based off the degrees of a perfect circle...

the months have no correlation... because there was also a point where the zodiac only held 8 signs... because the 8 where40 degrees each and divisible by 360...

then changed to 12.... so they held 30 degrees... also divisible by 360.

This whole... zodiac is related to months info is false information.

Even looking up the history of the zodiac on wikipedia has more truthfulness than the 13th month info people are throwing around right now...

zodiac= celestial sphere
Therefore basing the info that the zodiac is based off of a 360 degree circle. [as I said]

If the zodiac where build around months, then it would just start on the 1st of every month to make things correlate. [which they do not]

"The division of the ecliptic into the zodiacal signs originates in Babylonian ("Chaldean") astronomy during the first half of the 1st millennium BC, likely during Median/"Neo-Babylonian" times (7th century BC"

This was before Christianity was dominate and Paganism was the main religion of the world.

"Knowledge of the Babylonian zodiac is also reflected in the Hebrew Bible. E. W. Bullinger interpreted the creatures appearing in the books of Ezekiel and Revelation as the middle signs of the four quarters of the Zodiac, with the Lion as Leo, the Bull is Taurus, the Man representing Aquarius and the Eagle standing in Some authors have linked the twelve tribes of Israel with the twelve signs."




So this whole... Christians Changing the 13th sign is a HUGE myth figuring they had 12 signs before Christianity was even dominate or had any pull in the eyes of society.

I am not sure if i believe in the 13th sign. It does seem to be off somehow.

My example to prove it is not right is this.

Each Sign lasts for a certain amount of time. But due to the gregorian remodelling of our calendar, it's very hard to determine where the 13th sign really should be. Yes the Serpent does travel in the dates as determined, but it does leave the 2 signs either side somewhat short.

That said. We must remember that the ancient egyptian calendar was very different to what we now know.

So, it is my opinion that the 13th sign did once appear in early astrology, but was removed and replaced when the gregorians changed everything.

The mayans certainly didn't believe in the calendar we now use. They had their own and they also had their own system of reading the stars.

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