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this was from this morning i was at lev 81.73 i updated and dropped down to 6 WTF
I BEEN ON FOR 5 HOURS AND DROPPED FROM 73 TO 6 CAN ANY ONE EXPLAIN
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when i first joined VR earlier this year i was quite surprised at the fact that members who level up to 100 or more could take a test to become admin i find it a very unfair system to say the least.im sick of being cheated by certain VR admin i wont mention any names but i think you all know who you are.i think its time VR had some changes made for the better and boot the ones out that are abusing the system.dont these people understand they have no power beyond VR walls
here are some examples
becoming power hungry and causing trouble just for their own amusement.
abuse their power to consistently edit users' posts or profiles to change the context and make the user look like a fool.i have seen this happen to people who are not afraid to speak out
unfairly banning or editing posts by regular users on forums etc.
suspending profiles as and when they like
stealing database entries for favour
the list can go on i think action needs to be taken in a serious manner after all would you trust absolute strangers to admin your webpage
COMMENTS
You can take a test to be an Acolyte but there's no promise that you'll be made one. Cancer makes all final decisions. He made things the way they are, and I really doubt they'll change any time soon.
You know what an Acolyte does? Answer messages. So there's no point whining about the way they're chosen - it's fair for the minimal work they do. They know their stuff.
Admins do not abuse their power. If they have edited a post, it was because there was something wrong with it. The person that's been complaining about their posts being edited? They could stop posting material that the admins feel the need to edit. Or they could stop posting altogether. They're lucky they don't have a ban if this has happened more than once.
Admins do not suspend profiles when they feel like it - they do it in the line of duty. If content was inappropriate or the person causing trouble, then what do you expect?
It's impossible to "steal database entries", too.
Serious action = if you're not happy with the way the site's run, leave. Whining about admin will get you nowhere - and they're people too.
i did not say all admin was abusing the system there are a few that do and im not whinning dear im simply making a statement and highlighting a problem im not the only one who thinks this is happening and i totaly disagree about what you said but thats my opinion to which i am entitled to
Actually, I have to agree 100% with Lullaby on this. Posts get edited or deleted because they dont follow posting rules. Acolytes have to pass a strict test before they are allowed to be acolytes and they only answer questions and so, cannot be accused of being unfair. Profiles only get suspended or banned if they break ToS. As to stealing database entries, I cannot see how you've come to that conclusion at all. Cancer has picked a good team for his staff and I have to speak out about that. :)
i guess you would have to defend some admin it would be understandable if only a few people thought this but they is not. there is many a person on here who thinks on the same lines its just that some are afraid to speak out because of the power some of those admins have it does not help when they have there little underdogs doing all the drama and stuff for them there is nothing special about being a admin on a website
it does not matter how hard the test is its how loyal that person is some just have plain sinister minds who like to think they control. to me they are cyber bullies nothing more or nothing less. would you trust some one you know nothing about or ever met after all any one can say what they want on the internet
I actually find 95% of the admins on here to be respectable, genuine people. They don't give undue flatter, they don't try bullshit you, and they're incredible to talk to. Personally, I'd love to meet a few of the admins, and a few people on here that used to be admin.
Again - they're people too. How is laying slander on them not some form of "e-bullying"? They have a hard job to do, and they do what is for the good of the site. They're not paid and they take time out of their lives to make this a better place - for which they're never thanked.
Cancer has good judgment in his staff.
i do like some admins on here im not saying all are bad only a few. 4 to be exact i understand how hard they work im not dispruting that and im not slagging them all off i said they was a few not all and you said yourself 95% of them are good
The following primarily pertains to the younger readers of this site, but should apply to everyone and are suggested (not mandatory) safety rules.
• Never give anyone your real last name, real home or work address or home phone. If you really must talk to new Internet friends, get a beeper or cell phone, preferably a pre-paid cell phone that is more difficult to trace, with a separate phone number than your home or business. Use a friend's address or post office box.
• Never agree to meet anyone you met on-line alone for the first few times and do not take them to your home on your first, or second, or even third meeting.
• If you are under 18 - or even over 18 - tell someone, especially a parent, if someone want to meet you. Never go alone or take another young person or kid with you. If you are under 18, take an adult with you to meet a new on-line friend. If you are over 18, take at least 2 other people. There is strength in numbers. Even a 26 year old adult female, who is a street wise person, can be tricked and over powered. For the young, if anyone suggests you meet them in secret, if they say they wish to meet you in secret, if they suggest you leave home to meet them and they will take care of you since you are not getting along with your parents, tell someone at once.
This person is after you and means you harm. Anyone who is really your friend, no matter what age, will have no problem with meeting your parents or friends. I know it is not 'cool,' but it is necessary. A real friend will understand and in a short time you can see them alone after they have met your family and friends, friends.
For adults:
• If you are under 18 they must meet an adult even if your new friend is very close to your own age, but especially if they are an older teen or adult. Anyone who doesn't want to meet your friends or parents at your home is someone to run from.
• An adult should never spend a night alone with someone they just met at a club who says they are a real vampire.
• Never let them know where you live or work, be careful.
• There are no exceptions to these rules! This is the way it really is. Follow these suggestions and you will stay safe; do not follow them and one day I could be telling your story after your rape, or death or that of your friend's.
I know it sounds as if we are trying to spread a wave of paranoia, but all one has to do is watch the nightly news to hear all manner of horrible things.
There is a commercial that states, 'Friends don't let friends drive drunk.' Well there is also another saying: Friends don't let friends be fooled or harmed by vampire. If you know of a friend who is intending to sneak out to meet a vampire, tell someone. Tell an adult friend, a neighbor, a parent.
Don't let your friend be killed by a real predator.
A real vampire will never offer to meet you alone.
A real vampire will never offer to turn you in secret.
A real vampire will not agree to turn a child at all.
Don't become prey.
Stay away.
We are going to talk here about the real predators of this world. No, they are not the real vampires. They are the vampire pretenders. The role players and posers who intentionally prey upon all those who believe in the old myths of the romance novels. These are the 'victims in waiting' who constantly say they will do anything to meet or become a vampire.
The reasons for humans wishing to become a vampire are many. Some do not want to grow up, others do not wish to grow old. Some want power, strength, eternal beauty, everlasting life, everlasting youth, or revenge. None of which are good reasons. But they are needs. Needs that the real predator can sense, and take full advantage of people like these.
There are many predators, all human. To best understand why and how this come about, now we will look at several incidents. Every one is true, and each happened because some person believed the old myths and the lies of the predator. There are many kinds of predators. Sexual predators, blood predators, pedophiles, and confident men and women to name just a few. To best understand how this happens, we now look at some personal, and very real stories. Do not make the mistake of thinking it cannot happen to you because it can.
EMILY
Emily was 14 when her dad gave her a computer. She quickly found her way to several vampire message boards. On one of them she met a male who told this child that he was the real Lestat. Yes, the real and actual vampire written about in the Anne Rice novels. He soon convinced the 14 year old that Anne Rice was herself a vampire, that vampires were real, and really like the myths. He was an actual vampire, hundreds of years old and he was fond of her.
Hard to believe?
You would be surprised how many people want that fantasy, especially a young child in the difficult age of 14. They talked over the computer and later by phone. She gave him her address. When she turned 15 he sent her a gift. A small golden heart with the word 'forever' written inside. A few months later she had a fight with her father and wrote to tell the 'vampire' about it. 'Lestat' had an answer. 'I will come and get you, if you want,' he'd said. 'We can be married as soon as you are 18, but we will lie about your age and marry now if you rather. Then I will make you like myself. Eternal. You will be young and beautiful forever. You never have to take orders from your parents again. But it has to be the right time. Promise you will wait for me. Promise and I will come to you.' She'd promised and believed him, and at 16 she began to wait for him.
Slowly, she stopped seeing her friends. Slowly, she stopped having her friends over, she started staying home from school. Finally, she refused to go to school altogether and on her 17th birthday, she refused to leave her room. The next several weeks she stayed inside, refusing to leave and convinced 'Lestat' would come for her. She had told no one that he had e-mailed her that he was there but she was out and he would not come again unless she stayed home. So she did. She refused to leave her room. Her parents know nothing of all this.
For over a year their daughter had been acting strangely and seemed to be getting worse. They were beside themselves and planned to have her committed to a mental hospital. That's when a friend of hers wrote me and asked that I help her. He, and her other friends, refused to tell her parents why she wouldn't leave her room so they told me. They gave me a line name which they said was not hers but she would talk to me there the next day. The conversation was very short. She refused to believe 'Lestat' was not a real vampire. She refused to tell her parents or anyone else then she disconnected.
I did call the server and tell them but they refused to do anything and there was no way I could find her parents. I asked her friends to tell me who she was and where, and to tell her parents but they refused. The next day all screen names I had known where gone Three days later she was taken to a mental hospital and committed. She refused to talk or say a word and there she remains.
**UPDATE** after refusing to speak for over 3 months Emily was given drug and shock treatments, she then began to speak to her doctors and confided in them what had really been happening. It took another 8 months of treatment and psychological counseling before Emily was returned home. Today at age 20 nearly 21, she has been released into her parents care. She is attending night school and attempting to finish high school, she no longer believes in vampires or associates with her old friends. She has survived a serious depression and has not much trust in people but is fighting to make her way back.
Today she still lives at home with her parents and is putting the pieces back together. I received a long letter from one of her old neighborhood friends, only a short time ago, who informed me Emily is now doing well.
JUDY
Judy is a 32 year old woman who owned her own home and a car and had a very good job, but she was alone in a new state. She had always been a fan of vampires and often watched the television show Forever Knight. One day she when to a club known for its Vampire Night celebrations once a week. There she met Perry.
He looked like the classic vampire: very tall, thin, muscular with chiseled features and dead straight, long, black hair. He could have been a movie star. He was sweet, charming and a gentlemen. They danced all night and began seeing each other. Perry decided their two apartments were too small so they moved in together.
Perry had no time to look for a place so she rented the place on her own with her money. After a few weeks, his car broke down and she paid to fix it, the first time. The second time it broke down, they decided to get a new one. But he had to wait until his pay check came so she bought the car and put it in his name. Before long, they had bought stereo equipment and he needed new clothes. Then came the investments. She backed his and in less than 6 months after meeting him, her bank account was very nearly depleted of her life savings of $9,000. When she began to mention that perhaps he might want to pay her back for the car and clothes, he acted hurt and asked hadn't he been good to her? Hadn't he been true and loyal, had he ever forced her to do anything?
Then he made her an offer. He was not in the position to repay the money for the car, or stereo equipment or the new furniture. But, he would repay her in a much more meaningful fashion. 'I will make you like me and we will be together forever and share everything.' All this could happen if she just trusted him for a little longer.
She did. Two months later, Perry left after she explained her bank account was empty. She was not turned. Perry took the stereo equipment and all else he could carry and left while she was at work.
There she was, a grown adult woman, without her vampire and without her savings account.
She called the police but they told her she gave the things to Perry as a gift and there was nothing she could do.
BARBARA
Barbara was 16 when she got her computer. Before long, she had found her way on to a vampire chat room. There she met a 17 year old boy who told her he was a real vampire. They talked in e-mail and Instant Messages, and a few weeks later he asked her to go to a New York City club. Barbara lived in West Chester, NY about 30 miles from NYC. Her parents said she could go if they met the boy.
So, the date was set. The 17 year old male arrived on time, nicely dresses, polite and looking exactly like his Goth picture. They left together after having supper with her parents. Once they got into the city, the 17 year old said he had to stop by a friend's house because this friend had a leather jacket the boy wanted to wear to the club. When they got there, he invited Barbara in to meet his friend. In a very short time, Barbara learned it was this friend she had been writing to all the time, not the 17 year old. The man she had been writing was 23 years old.
The adult gave the boy money and sent him away. The young girl spent the next several hours being repeatedly raped and sodomized by this man. After he had his fun, he went to get beer and threatened her that if she left he would kill her and her parents. After all, he knew where she lived and her phone number. But as soon as he was out the door, the girl left and went directly to the police. He was arrested and she and her parents are now dealing with the situation.
KAREN
Karen, a 23 year old vampire fan, met Rick online. They dated via the computer most of the time. They even cybered together often. He convinced her he was a real vampire and his letters and Instant Messages were wonderful; her own Nick Knight. She was so excited to meet him in person. The first and second dates were truly dream dates. He was truly a gentleman. Took her to very fine restaurants, opened doors, was always polite.
Then she asked him how he became a vampire and he told her. It sounded like a classic vampire novel, but she believed it. Their fourth date was an anniversary date. Their first month together. Again, it was a dream date. He rented a limo, they went to dinner and a show, then visited an after-hours club. He regaled her with stories of his many lives traveling across the world and across history. He spoke so sincerely she felt as if he had really been there.
That evening he asked that they make love. It was their fifth actual date and all they ever did was kiss and hold hands. She told him no, that she did not have casual sex. She told him she really liked and cared for him and perhaps in a few more weeks, after they knew each other a bit longer. He expressed his regrets but said he respected her decision and was willing to wait. He asked her again to go out with him the next week and she accepted. This time he offered to cook for her and took her to his apartment. Then, after dinner, he insisted on sex. When she refused, he raped and murdered her.
***UPDATE*** During his trial he stated the murder was in self defense, that she had agreed to have sex and then things got rough. When he wanted to stop he said she began to kick him and throw things and began screaming at him, he said he tried to push her away when she fell and hit her head. The jury voted him guilty of rape and man slaughter. He spent 4 years in prison and is currently out on parole.
SCOTT
Scott was a 17 year old when he met Ginger, a 38 year old woman who owned a night club in California. Scott lived in Florida. They talked on the phone, they cybered and e-mailed. The boy fell in love with the woman. He wanted to enter the armed forces; to join the Marines. He felt he was too thin and not quite tall enough.
His vampire love, who called herself 'Mother DEATH ' said she could fix it all, that she could make him like her, a vampire. He would be strong, and healthy and make it in to the service easily if he became like her, a real vampire.
She invited him to join her in California. He saved his money and went. She put him to work in her club doing everything; waiter, busboy, washing dishes, floors, helping at the bar, etc. But he was not paid. He stayed in her home. She said he must prove he was worthy to become a vampire by proving his loyalty to her. Yes, they had sex, but he was not paid for his work at the club and he was worked hard.
After 3 months, he asked why he had not been turned. She said she would turn him, but was too busy right then. After the fourth month, he demanded she keep her word. She laughed at him, threw him out of her home and her club. He came back home a little wiser and greatly disillusioned. But he was one of the very lucky ones, he was still alive.
Although not vampire related; In the news, in the latter part of 2007, was the report of a teenage girl who hung herself in her bedroom after being subjected to online harassment by young man she thought was her own age. It began very pleasantly, he flattered her, said that he liked her and wanted to meet her. Then suddenly, and for no apparent reason, her new friend turned on her, being cruel and abusive. After the girl's suicide, the police investigation revealed that the 'boy' she was writing to online was actually an adult female neighbor. When the exchanges became ugly and abusive the child couldn't handle it, she did not confide in her parents, and she killed herself.
In the past several years a total of 11 people who are known to all who post on the America Online vampire posting boards - regulars have been badly harmed. One had her life savings taken by her vampire lover. One 17 year old male was hoodwinked by a 36 year old woman into working for her for free for several months and she made him little more than a non-paid male prostitute. Several were raped and two were murdered and for no other reason than they believed the old myths and legends and were willing to do anything to meet a real vampire and become one. There is no fail-safe way to spot a fake, but there are several little signs to look for when talking to, or reading mail or profiles of people claiming to be vampires.
• Know the truth as to what a real vampire is and is not.
• Some key words to watch for are sign posts that should send up a little red flag of warning:
• Anyone that uses the terms 'Coven', 'My House', Clan, Chosen, Childer, Kindred, or any other terms used in any role playing game.
• Anyone who uses 'clan names' from the game Vampire the Masquerade. Such as Tremere, Gangrel, Venture, Nosferatu, Brujah, Assamite, Ravnos, Malkavian, Samedii
• Anyone who uses more general terms such as Sire, Prince/Princess of ___, King/Queen of __, Vessel (which means a human that is fed from), Herd (a group of humans fed from by a particular vampire, usually voluntarily, and are considered the vampire's property.)
• Anyone who is obviously playing or pretending based on the role play. Other forms of pretending are a bit harder to tell, but usually you can tell by the person's online profile. If one exists.
A lack of profile, or heavily descriptive profile, such as describing themselves as being tall, thin, pale, with long, straight hair usually dark or blonde. Eye description of other than human eye colors such as gold, red, purple, and sometimes even green. If they describe clothing as historical or gothic in nature, it shows you are probably speaking to a non-real vampire. Especially if they use the term 'sire,' meaning the one who turned them. This term is widely in use today but real vampires will not use the words 'sire' or 'turn,' but instead will use 'parent' and 'transformed' or 'transformation.'
There is no fool proof way of finding a real vampire by what is told to you. But if you keep an open mind, be skeptical and listen for a while, the fakes will betray themselves. Listen for the other giveaways as well; the usual stuff which included the myths.
Example: that he or she eats no or very little food, that he or she never is out before dark and always in doors before dawn, that they do not reflect in a mirror, that he or she never drinks water, that animals fear them, etc.
Hunters are often fake as well. I have met three hunters on line, one kept up the pretense for over a year before admitting he was only 16 and not a real hunter. Hunters very seldom advertise themselves on a message board or newsgroup. Look for the word 'slayer' as well and other terms used on the television show Buffy; The Vampire Slayer. This is mythical in all respects. Fun show for most young ones but nothing real in it. Hunters do not normally call themselves slayers. That is usually only in film, print and television, and on a message board.
The human predator, child molester, the sexual predator, the predator looking to get money in the form of an investment, or gifts, or cash, all know how far some people will go to meet a real vampire
They know what many would do for the chance to become a vampire. They convince their prey it is they who can grant them these dreams, give these gifts of life and youth and in the end, it is the victim who looses so much, sometimes even their lives. These are the real predators, these are humans (including you) could easily be their prey.
Originally published on SMOKE AND MIRRORS 2006
NOTE--The author of this article is a lawyer writing from the perspective of UK law. Anyone who is involved in "blood play" or "blood feeding / donoring" ought to be aware of the laws that apply to their area.
Bloodletting is used by many people for many different reasons. Vampyres use bloodletting to feed. Others use bloodletting as part of sex play. Still others use bloodletting as a form of release. How does the law view bloodletting for what may be described (inaccurately) as recreational purposes?
This article is based on the law of England and Wales as it is understood at the beginning of 2006. The laws of different jurisdictions may differ, but most of the English speaking world has substantially the same law, so the content of this article should not be too far off base wherever you live. This article is based on general principles and is not intended to be a substitute for proper legal advice.
There are generally two ways for bloodletting to occur: the donor can cut or puncture him- or her- self; or the recipient can cut or puncture the donor. Where the donor cuts or punctures him- or her- self there is not usually a problem. Generally speaking, one cannot commit a crime against one’s self (suicide is a crime against society, not a crime against the person). The problem arises where the recipient cuts or punctures the donor. How much, if any, cutting or puncturing is permissible under the law?
The issue of consent to the infliction of harm has been considered a number of times in the last decade or so in England. In each case the infliction of harm occurred in the pursuit of sexual gratification, but the principles are the same; and judges being (typically) the grey men in grey suits that they are will likely only be able to understand the issue of bloodletting in that context.
The general rule is that a person cannot consent to the infliction of harm to him- or her- self which amounts to serious harm. That, of course, begs the question, what is serious harm?
At common law, an assault is an act by which a person intentionally or recklessly causes another to apprehend immediate and unlawful personal violence and a battery is an act by which a person intentionally or recklessly inflicts personal violence upon another. However, the term “assault” is now, in both ordinary legal usage and in statutes, regularly used to cover both assault and battery . The word ‘unlawful’ means simply that the accused had no lawful excuse, such as self-defence, for the infliction of the personal violence (the physical act).
In what is, perhaps, the most celebrated case , a group of homosexual men were convicted of assault occasioning actual bodily (ABH), assault occasioning grievous bodily harm (GBH) and/or wounding for their part in what was described as genital mutilation and genital torture as part of sado-masochistic sex. The acts were all committed with consent, but the level of “violence” used was remarkable. The genital torture and mutilation included inserting fishhooks into ones scrotum and hanging men by their testicles. The House of Lords, the highest court in England and Wales, was clear that they viewed sado-masochism as acts of violence and not as acts of sex. The 5 judges (Law Lords, as they are known) were not at all agreed on the matter, but the majority upheld the convictions and gave some advice on what may be viewed as acceptable and what is unacceptable. The House of Lords said held that a person could be convicted for committing sadomasochistic acts which inflict injuries, which were neither transient nor trifling, notwithstanding that the recipient of such injuries consented to the acts and not withstanding that no permanent injury was sustained. The level of violence that may be permissible was not agreed by the Law Lords. Not surprisingly, they each had their own views, but it would seem that what is known as “common assault” will be tolerated and perhaps even “assault occasioning actual bodily harm” so long as the harm is not serious. Anything more sever is not to be tolerated.
In what is probably the most popular case , a man was convicted for “branding” his initials into his wife’s buttocks, not only with her permission but at her request. The wife did not complain, her doctor did when he saw the branding (one of the dangers of mandatory reporting laws). The husband was charged and convicted of ABH. On appeal, the Court of Appeal for England and Wales said that consensual activity between husband and wife, in the privacy of the matrimonial home, is not a proper matter for criminal investigation or prosecution and pointed that there was no evidence of any significant harm having been done to the wife, in this particular case. The healing proceeded in the normal way, so much so that the doctor who gave evidence made no reference to any scar on the right buttock.
The most recent case of note involved a couple who enjoyed a very active and varied sex life . Again, it was the wife’s doctor who informed the police under the mandatory reporting laws in force at the time. The complaint related to two separate incidents, one where the wife wanted to use oxygen deprivation as a sexual stimulant and one where lighter fuel was used. In each case the wife consented but also suffered temporary damage. In the case of “gasping” she blacked out and her eyes were blurry for a week or more afterward, in the case of the lighter fluid, one of her breasts received severe burns that took some time to heal. In the end, the husband was convicted (and his sentence suspended for 2 years) on the basis that the degree of actual and potential harm and the degree of unpredictability as to injury was such as to make it a proper cause for the criminal law to intervene. The medical evidence was that there was a very considerable degree of danger to life and, on the second occasion, there was a degree of actual injury to the body which was not transient.
It seems unlikely that any challenge to such a prosecution on the basis that it is an invasion of privacy or is contrary to the right to freedom from interference from a government would be successful in a country that has such human rights legislation. The matter has been considered by the European Court of Human Rights and the decision, not surprisingly, was that once the conduct of the accused person has gone beyond the permitted limit, however that is defined, in inflicting injury upon or exposing to potential risk another, so that he or she prima facie, at least, has committed an offence of a sufficient degree of seriousness, the institution of a criminal investigation and, if appropriate, criminal proceedings cannot amount to a breach of the accused’s human rights.
What is the answer then? The answer seems to be that self-mutilation is acceptable (unless it gets to the point where the person would be considered in need of medical intervention) and that consensual mutilation (cutting and puncturing) is acceptable so long as the wounds are not beyond those wounds that are necessary for the purpose and may be regarded as not out of the ordinary (trifling and/or transitory).
Vampyric Etiquette
In order to survive in the Vampyre Community there are some basic rules and behaviors one needs to remember. Respect is given to another Vampyre in accordance with the amount of Vampyric knowledge, power, experience, age and their lineage.
True Elders and council members are appointed to their positions due the amount of power, knowledge, experience, lineage and to a lesser extent, age. Elders and Council members are never appointed with only one of the above-mentioned qualities, but all, with out exception. Granted anyone can run around calling themselves, or convincing others, to call them Elders. The difference is who can back up their claims and who cannot. As a friend of mine once said, "Don't let your mouth write a check that your body can't cash." It is a very dangerous thing to do so, especially because of what we are.
Vampyric Morals
Our morals are not the same as the humans / mundanes. We aren't humans / mundanes after all, we are Vampyres. Yes there is a difference. Humans perceive themselves to be the top of the food chain and as such they feel that everything else should mimic them. Merely because we share similar bodies doesn't mean our behaviors, thoughts, feelings, codes of conduct, etc will be the same as theirs. So what then are Vampyre morals? For many of us they are second nature, but for some of us, especially those still experiencing the Awakening and those that have been Turned, they simply aren't and therefore must be learned. Some have a difficult time overcoming their learned human morals because they have been practicing them so long. But like the Awakening, all it takes is time and practice. Below we have taken the time to list most of the morals that should be held by any True Vampyre.
* We are predatory in nature. We take what we need, sometimes to the detriment of others. Though we may appear similar with our prey, it is the spirit or soul that sets us apart.
* We have no qualms about harming some one/something, especially when it comes to, defending ourselves or others.
* We feel no guilt when we feed because we are predators.
* Stupidity and weakness are not tolerated, especially with in our own kind. When examples of such do exist with in our own ranks we will eliminate them by whatever means necessary.
* Loyalty is very important and taken very seriously. Those that are disloyal are also eliminated by whatever means necessary.
* Respect must be shown to those that are: older, higher ranking, more powerful, more knowledgeable than yourself.
We are unlike mundane society, We have Honor.
Anyone higher in power than you, you must show respect to. Never look an Elder in the eyes if you are not one. Greet an Elder as "My Lord" or "My Lady", unless other wise ordered.
Never speak to an Elder, unless the Elder starts the conversation. A Mradu can talk to an Elder but must respect the wishes of the Elder if the Elder doesn't wish to speak with them.
While walking, just as in the military, the lower ranking Vampyres walk on the left hand side (protecting the heart of the Vampyre they are with). There is only one exception to this. It is that to show respect to the eldest. The younger vampyre, regardless of their lineage, shows respect to the elder. However if the age difference is only a few years (1 to 4) then respect is due to lineage. If lineage is unknown or lineage is equal then respect is due to the one of greater power.
Dinning: If you know anything about table manners then you are set. The younger Vampyres must wait for either the eldest or the Clan / House leader to lift their fork before beginning their own meal. If you have no clue, this should help a little. Keep your elbows off the table. Never stuff your mouth. Never speak with your mouth full. Keep whatever hand is not doing anything in your lap. Never reach over people for something, ask someone to pass it. Rank has no order at the table, unless the Clan / house leader desires it.
No "play fighting" in public places or public Havens. This kind of behavior should be restricted to your home or private Haven. Do not feed in public. This is something that obviously should be restricted to your home or private Haven. Never approach or attempt to initiate conversation with two Vampyres that are embracing (holding each other). These actions could be considered hostile, especially if their backs are turned to you. Always approach facing them, not from behind. If you must approach from behind, walk loudly and make sure that they are aware of your approach.
COMMENTS
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Pantomime
17:24 Jun 28 2011
You could have lost your mark - if you had one in the Coven/House that you're in.
For such a loss, that's the most probable answer.
lunaraven2
17:32 Jun 28 2011
i still got my mark