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What are things we can't control in life like Fate and Time?

Well time empirically cannot be controlled. Since we define it based on something inevitable. Fate on the other hand which prior knowledge could be changed. Arguably you can never truely know that fate is set in stone. According to astrology every 256 years the vicious cycle is repeated almost exactly. I think under the perspective that fate is out of our control I would propose that nothing is truely in our control. I would like we all make decisions on our own. From this perspective the things that would be out of our control is time, the people of the world, and arguably whatever mystical/spiritual entities that we may or may not believe in. Some theories propose the ability to control spirits, but I'm sure if spirits exist there exists a powerful spirit that cannot be controlled.

control: to exercise restraint or direction over; dominate; command

i think sometimes we make our own fate and agreed that time can not be controlled i also believe that we do not control the laws of the universe i used to think that death can be controlled at our own will but not in my case it seems

Death as an inevitable endstate cannot be controlled but under the perspective of fate not being a thing, we can control when it happens outside of natural causes. Even if we figure out a way to manipulate all of our cells to live forever via scientific genius. Over the course of forever that individual will encounter death by non natural means. I do agree that death is on the list

Nature cannot be controllled nor should it ever be, it is a violation to try.
Humanity should learn from the natural disasters that befall them but they as usual..they don't, forever believing that they have the right to control everything.

Another person's happiness, nor is it our responsibility. We can do everything in the world to make someone happy, but if they are not happy with themselves, they will never be happy with someone else.

Can't control the idiocy of bad drivers on the road. SO buckle up, drive safe, & say a prayer because they are out there in droves.

Well another persons happiness can be granted through love, possibly. Most people are unpredictable and seemingly impossible to control bit with the right person happiness can be induced which would logically put another persons happiness in a persons hands. Now bad drivers can be educated better. Most accidents are caused by actions "such as texting" that can be controlled. By virtue of human nature we as people just don't care because most people think it won't happen to them. Although the victim could not control the careless persons accident " in some cases" The driver could have controlled it which puts this category is the realm of things "we" as people can control.

Agreed. All valid points. Yes, I was the driver who the accident report and witness confirmed was not at fault. So when you are minding your own business and randomly get smacked by a truck, it feels like you had no control. However, unfortunately, the reckless behind the wheel of said truck, falls under "we" by default.

We cannot control aging, IE Time. We cannot control what others think, feel do. Though some people do try to control others and some even think they can. We cannot control the past. And the list goes on of things we cannot control and yet we try to control everything. Some even have the need to control all aspects of their lives. We will always have the desire to have power over the many things in our lives. We can control how we react to things. As for fate, I think we can affect our fate but we will never have complete control over our fate.

I agree we can not control cause god control's the decision we have weather to live or die, and when were and time, of death, do i fear it no cause i know ill be at rest.

i wish i could control how rude people and selfish they are.....

Well technically you can. Sure you can't truly control how they are on the inside (at least not without some hardwork) but you can change it from the outside with a well placed "blunt force trauma" method or the removal of tongues, jaws and hands, the tools of a rude person. You could kill them but then you would ironically be selfish for doing so because it would be for your personal reasons only.

..we can not control the feelings and emotions of others, even when some will tell you that they can do it.

Free will. We cannot control anothers free will.
Any such change can APPEAR to be possible (Police, governments, etc.) but in fact, it's not.
Even witchcraft states that influencing another's emotions etc, has to be done when the potential for the change already exists, or it won't work. Which you could argue means that the change would have probably happened anyway, and you didn't influence that person at all.

In any event, my answer is free will.

Free will is an illusion.

No one is actually truly free, and not just because of the governments and the law, but simply because of nature and world itself.

Humanity are victims of their circumstances and will make choices based off experience and certain stimuli, ergo they are enslaved to causality and thus can be influenced and controlled by external forces.

I disagree that free will is an illusion. While I recognize your point. I used my own free will, to type this reply. I could've chosen not to. And no 3rd party opinion or power had anything to do with my choice.

Wrong, your reply here is a reaction to my post, not a free choice. Every choice somebody makes is merely a reaction to stimuli. Not even non-human animals are free. In their case its an enslavement to instinct which is perfectly acceptable because that is the natural way.

I concur with Dj. Even held at gunpoint, I would still have a choice to make. Obey, or be shot.
And I would be the person who had control over that decision.

No, you would be reacting to what you feel when you have a gun pointed at you. In order to make a true choice out of free will, there would have to be nothing to react to or experience to rely on ergo a choice free of bias and subjectivity and so on.

There is nothing wrong with it being an illusion... it always was and in fact free will is nothing more than a concept invented by mankind, but we can agree to disagree.

Luvly,

You could obey & still be shot. The kind of folk who hold people at gun point can be real assholes like that.

Still I do agree, that the choice to obey, protest, wait to be shot, or be reckless and check to see if the fool is truly about that taking a life, life... is your choice. Yours alone. The situation certainly has influence on your decision. But you still hold the power and ability to make a choice in that moment.

I think sometimes we get caught up in fate, or this singular moment, or viewing time as pure illusion based on our tools for measurements.

However, independent of these things, don't get it twisted, what you do matters. Saying whatever has happened or will happen will happen because that is the way it is, is cool if you are standing from an infinite, spiritual, or eternal perspective. But here on the physical plane, the finite existence has rules. And choices. And consequences for poor choices.

Ultimately you are judged on your actions. The things you choose to do. Identical twins are still different because they make different choices. People can say whatever they want, and that's fine, you choose to be honest or to be a liar.

If said gun man uses free will to pull the trigger and gets caught, said gunman is probably going to jail.

Oh I don't believe in fate or any other pre-written destinies but choices are not made from free will, they are always influenced by something such as emotions, experiences, spite and so on.

To go back to the gun example. A person would obey out of fear, fear makes the choice, not them. A person who disobeys does it out of spite or courage, or maybe out of suicidal tendancies and past experiences can play a part in that.

If a person obeys not out of fear then its out of a duty to protect any others caught in the situation. There are so many ways those choices are based off external and past forces but none of them is free will.

Choice and free will is not really the same. When someone makes choices, they weigh up pros and cons thus their choice is being influenced before its even made and those that simply make a choice that goes against their logic is done out of defiance or wanting to "live a little".

In order to make a choice that is truly out of free will, it has to made without any thought into it, no influence, no fear of consequences and no reaction. The closest one can come to free will is randomness and even then the motivation for that is usually to be the opposite of order, ergo a reaction.

I guess what you measure as free will is debatable but humanity is influenced one way or another throughout their lives.

MxM,

As a result of no one being truly free in the ways described, I think that the existing language leaves room for this.

free will
noun
noun: free will; noun: freewill

1.
the power of acting without the constraint of necessity or fate; the ability to act at one's own discretion.
synonyms: self-determination, freedom of choice, autonomy, liberty, independence
"they take for granted their blessed right to free will"
voluntarily, willingly, readily, freely, without reluctance, without compulsion, of one's own accord, of one's own volition, of one's own choosing
"I pursued a modeling career of my own free will"

adjective
adjective: free-will; adjective: free will; adjective: freewill

1.
(especially of a donation) given readily; voluntary.
"free-will offerings"

dis·cre·tion
dəˈskreSH(ə)n/
noun
noun: discretion

1.
the quality of behaving or speaking in such a way as to avoid causing offense or revealing private information.
"she knew she could rely on his discretion"
synonyms: circumspection, carefulness, caution, wariness, chariness, guardedness; More
tact, tactfulness, diplomacy, delicacy, sensitivity, prudence, judiciousness
"you can rely on his discretion"
2.
the freedom to decide what should be done in a particular situation.
"it is up to local authorities to use their discretion in setting the charges"
synonyms: choice, option, preference, disposition, volition;


I believe the point you speak of is simply understood. No we are not 'free'to do whatever our individual imaginations can some up with due to others, consequences, physics, and a number of different things. Hence, it doesn't have much practical use in language if this is unattainable. Instead the phrase "freedom of choice" is synonymous. It appears the disagreement is purely based on semantics. You say Tomato, I say Ketchup kind of stuff. The original OP asks about things we can control, so to that point, we can control our choices, we can not control or experience this notion of freedom meaning whatever we want to do we can do no matter what. It is an unrealistic concept.

There we go.

Freedom of choice, not free will.

Choices are never untainted and thus not a product of free will, but you can still make them at any time. And this is why free will is an illusion because making choices makes you believe you have free will.

Choice is within one's ability but it is not free will which is as you perfectly described, an unrealistic concept. Freedom of choice, now that has iron in it.

We can't. Always. Control the way others drive or when they act stupidly.

Someone doesn't understand the concept of "free will".

If you're referring to me then you're quite mistaken, I understand the concept of free will very well, enough to know that is all it is. A mere concept, an unrealistic one at that. Causality is the reality. Choices based off external or internal matters. What would be more accurate to say, is that our interpretation of what free will differs.

Ones Perception is ones reality.

I saw it as "Free + Will" vs "Freedom of choice"

They are different. Free + Will would be the individual root words to form a phrase definition. That phrase definition doesn't happen ever so, the dictionary gives us the latter because it is the practical use of the concept in language. And Therefor Freedom of Choice is synonymous with Freewill.

That is my issue with semantic discussions however, they are often tangents away from the original topic.

We do not have the ability to control things we can not even do.

We do have the ability to control our choices.

We can't control a person's tone of voice, we also can't control the rising or the setting of the sun nor can we control the orbit of the Earth.

Just my two cents on this topic.

Can't control when people fight on your forum threads and get them closed before you can even get a significant amount of responses or reply to them. Seems to always be my VR fate.

Be happy since the other option is to not have activity in your threads at all which is the fate of most of the others.

That said, I myself don't particulary like it when a topic goes way down hill since I actually want to have an intelligent discussion instead of putting up with fools. There is a reason why its quiet in the main forums these days.


Time, you can look back and envision the future but you can't control where it leads.

we can't control time.
Can not control a free and wild spirit.
We can not control ourselves when we sleep...
like breathing..heart beat..most dreams.
Can not control planets..or space...
the entirety of it.
We will never be able to control the government.

we can't control who we fall in love with

Sorry. I disagree. With a good therapist, you can control those pesky feelings, created by the frontal lobe, named: Brain. Remeber, Love is a state of Illusion.

Who are parents are.

Actually you can control who your parents are, just not the biological ones and even then you can disown them. lol

The direction the sun moves in.

When the divine wants to enlighten you about something

Death, sooner or later its going to get you.
Run, run as fast as you can, the gingerbread man you are not.

Parental control makes me think of Nature vs Nurture and such.

The great irony being that in most cases, especially during puberty, it seems like the more control a parent tries to have, the more motivated the child becomes to rebel. Yet if the parent has no rules, the child often runs wild and recklessly.

In regard to intelligence, some developmental issues, learning disabilities, or conditions can cap the amount a child can learn or how smart they can be. And in some cases, the parents COULD'VE prevented these circumstances (i.e. drinking or smoking during pregnancy)

Then you have parents who did everything right, and still their child has to overcome health complications.

The parent has control over the environment, bad eggs can come out of good areas, good eggs can come out of bad neighborhoods. Making sure that a child is exposed to a good education is no guarantee.

Leading by example can be effective, but in the end, each person is their own person, even if it is still a little person.

The problem is choice.

The variables that determine each choice, child or adult, are unique to the individual experience.

The freedom to pick a choice can certainly be influenced.

The action of execution, choosing your own adventure, is at the discretion, control, or whim of the main character.

life at times

WE CANNOT CONTROL WHAT OTHER PEOPLE SAY OR DO IN A NEGITIVE WAY.BUT WE CAN CONTROL OURSELVES IN HOW WE REACT TO THEM.NEVER STOOP TO THERE LOWER LEVELS OF IGNORANCE.YOU ARE BETTER FOR IT.Namaste

Cin & Elvis, Positive wavelengths and vibrations FTW! All day.

Elvis makes a very great point that most people forget about too often.

You do have the power to control how you react to things.

If you run into one of the many little angry bots out here, you don't have to let their sour attitude, or rude comments become yours.

You can choose to deflect or ignore it. Choose to respond with kindness or respect. Choose to think instead, of the good things you have in your life. I can't stress enough how valuable it is to simply release another persons negative energy. It isn't yours, it does not belong to you and therefore you do not have to keep it.

Both negativity and positive energy can be contagious.

Take on, acknowledge, and accept full ownership of the control you have to contribute to either or.

can't control what pops into your head

You may not be able to control a human's view, at least against their will without some form of manipulation and suggestion but one can remove that person from the equation and make the world better. In fact there a type serial killers out there that just that, remove who they see as inferior or a blemish on society/the world. I agree with such commitment but their methods are too slow.

Can't. Control. What others do.

Your own heredity

Physics. We can build things to harness the rules, or provide loop holes around some rules i.e. an airplane.

But we can't change the rules.

And those rules shouldn't be changed, loopholes can be bad enough as it is.

decisions of others .

you can make suggestions but you can never force their hands no matter how it may look from your point of view

know what happens when we step out doors

A design in a freeways structure has a hidden flaw, however when the freeway was constructed no one accounted for there being far more traffic in the foreseeable future, the foreseeable future arrives, the turn off, or the merging lane being faulty because the design originally had the road at a certain width, yet environmental rules, and regulations forced the construction company to make the lane just a tad narrower. Time progressed and traffic increased, the road fell behind in repairs, people discovered more ignorant ways to distract themselves, people gained unreasonable assurance from the souped up handling of vehicles. All factors that allow people to think they are safer. Yet that design flaw starts creating accidents, serious fatalities. Insurance companies , accident reports all cite other factors as probable causes. .. So what am I leading to regarding the OP? Certain foreseeable, and unforseen factors lay in wait. Either , like an avalanche, or a slowly rotting tree beside a person's home. It just comes down to will someone knowledgeable recognise an existing flaw, will there be someone home when the tree falls? Since a strong wind is likely to hasten the tree falling , will an alert person assess the tree before seasonal winds come ? So while we can't control everything we can practice being alert , alert for potential disruptions. We there for have a limited ability to intercede disasters, or destructive events.

One thing that amuses me to no end is when a community is developed in either a rural mountain area, or on the outskirts of an already overdeveloped community. Then when the inhabitants encounter wild animals, puma, bear, etc.. they whine about encroachment , or when wild fire , and landslides hit them they have the ignorant response of "Why us?". The people on the outskirts get flooded, the very reason no one developed there earlier.

As people get more into the idea of being in the era of safety minded designed necessities they will eventually discover themselves becoming subject to unforeseeable , seemingly pathetic "accidents".

Example. People so into texting that as a driver they hit someone, or something. As a pedestrian they walk out into a street after failing to register that they were even at a corner. By the time we address and minimize the occurrence of one faulty behavior another two replace it.

Electric cars, efficient.. quite? Quite, yes, so quite that people in parking lots can't hear them approach, or back up. Result , a rise in pedestrians getting hit . The electric system of the cars not shutting off.. firefighters on scene of e car accidents get injured by shock. Both probably could have been avoided had research gone the extra distance , yet realistically something will and always will go unrecognized. It may be a matter of a number of conditions, and factors both from outside sources, as well as the subjects of the event. A simple tail wing flap has a low cost substitute pin , or a preflight worker smoked a joint on the way to work got right to that plane and left out , or failed to notice that it wasn't secure.. the plane crashes... Screening? Better training? Verifying that parts are coming from where they are expected to come from? Installing redundancies when it comes to preflight inspections? Is that "control"?

other people's perceptions of you

No, that can be altered, its easy to make people hate or fear you, and also to love and worship you, but other than that, you cannot control how they think.

The mechanics on "how" they think is not really the same as "what" they are thinking, all humans have their own quirks and way of thinking but what they think or believe is not unique. The subject and opinions about it can be altered fairly easily.

The questions mankind have no answer for become the worst plagues of the mind.

There is a lot of things we have no control over the weather, time, how the voting turns out, making a lot of money an spending it wisely on things that you need not things you want. etc.

We cannot control the flow of time. We can only choose how we spend it. I believe that we can control our fate to a degree with our choices.

You can make choices, but there is no true free will in it. I won't get into all that again but basically its down to causality.

I don't think there's really anything that can be controlled. We just have the illusion of control and like to think we have it all handled.

Well said cakes.

Apparently the voting process if one believes what is being said.

"You can make choices, but there is no true free will in it. I won't get into all that again but basically its down to causality."

Things that we can't control...The immaturity of hairless apes and their obvious attempts at baiting. tut tut. Want some cream with that brown nose? lol

Now causality is going to be in great effect, trust me because it won't be resisted...at all. lol

Success? lol I never get angry dearie, though you cannot control your emotions but if it makes you happy to believe otherwise, have at it. XD

I am responding out of pragmatism i.e post count and feeding my coven, the fact its you and not someone else is irrelevant. I could be responding to Hitler and still be saying this. Any excuse to feed my coven will do, even if it means responding to lower beings.

Things you can't control:...Presumptions, now one cannot control what others presume about your intentions as is evident here. lol

Causality - one, free will - zero.

Results of a Civil war. Should it come to pass from recent political events, who is to say the rebels would be better? sometimes a Tyrant is actually yesterdays Hero.

I absolutely have control over my reaction to things. I've been laughing since I woke up.

When someone tries to hand me there garbage energy, I dodge it, release it, or hand it right back. It's not mine, I don't have to keep it.

It isn't overnight to achieve this point of self-awareness, but it isn't hard either.

All these things we can't control in this thread, don't be fooled, one's reactions is completely at their own control. I do it all the time. You don't have to like something, but you do have the power to choose your reaction.

I can't control my bowels, I have lost them due to massive laugh attack! Just kidding! lol :)

Careful Umyalanaraku my friend, you don't want to brownpants yourself lmfao.

You can't choose who posts in here but you can choose to ignore. A fact that many fail to do lol.

Causality-two. Free will-zero.

Back on topic....

Things I can't control, my emotions. Being an empath sucks sometimes.

What? since when are you an empath?

Can't control or stop the production of orange spray tans.

Since always lol. I have my good days and my days.

Cannot control the weather since it's dreary outside.

I think you mean emotional or bipolor lol An empath is supposed to be someone who can read or even feel another's emotions.

The sun and the moon.

Yes I can feel people's emotions so I'm not bipolar lol

Well that is news lol

Certain someone's hair, obviously it cannot be controlled since a roast described it as looking like a dead raccoon on his head.

I try to hide it. Surprised you've never noticed.

Hair is somewhat difficult to control

I rarely bother to notice insignificant things. lol
Can't control funny accidents, which I am happy to say.

Can't control others pettiness

Can't control studio interference.

So very true dearie

Cannot control the actions of others

Well technically you can, getting into people's heads is easy as well as making them do things.
Can't control the forums lmfao

Unless you are part of he administration, you can.

Cannot control greed

Cannot control the universe.

Cannot control society

That depends.
Cannot control earthquakes.

Heh, this thread is starting to become sandbox in nature.

It has whoops

Weather elements in general cannot be controlled

Death, it can be delayed but never truly stopped.

Agreed we all will meet our maker eventually in the end.

If there is a maker lol
Chaos....goes without saying.

Can't control an eclipse.

Cannot control how one acts when there is a full moon.

You can kinda control the ignorance of others, if you ignore the ones being ignorant.

Well said Slip.
Cannot control drunkness after 40 odd bottles....ok seriously this thread is now sandbox thread lol

Cannot control others and how they drive in foggy weather, especially the kind of fog that almost like a white out, if that makes sense.

Can't control when a nice tsunami happens.

Cannot control what happens in the future

I can't control duplicate content being a result of a barely active general forum thread, then manifesting into an active sandbox thread. And while users may not control the amount of traffic as a whole, they can control the amount of individual activity the submit.

Can't control that forum drama does sometimes occur on forums.

And yet I certainly can and do exercise my free will to not participate in any forum dramas.

Can't control that all life on Earth is finite.

And still I do enjoy taking advantage of how I choose to spend that very fine time.

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