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I am starting this forum to discover more, to understand more through communicating with you fine folks.

First, any thought goes.

Starting with this one, are we in heaven or hell?

"Things you can do, some can't be done." Deltron 3030

We are neither in Heaven nor Hell for the Heavens are in the Cosmos where pure energy exists. Hell is a different dimension.

I agree to some extent. Heaven is most definitely in the stars. Hell is most definitely another dimension. But, some research suggest that heaven and hell are states of the mind, as well as, both, located in the fourth dimension, and when we "die" we go to either one of these depending on our thought processes at that time, of our death. Some say we can create our own living heaven or hell on Earth as well. I am leaning more to, all of these therapies. Deep thought is most rewarding to me.

heaven and hell are just other realms where we can
enter into and out of after we leave a living vessel,
and be in our energy form.

there are many others.

they are just places that the living vessels can not go to.

But,
they do say we can make our own living heaven or hell
in this life as we live in it.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. This forum is not only intended for heaven and hell. I hope it conforms to no structure and breaks down walls. Bringing forth much more illuminating insights.

Like, what are your thoughts on these other dimensions? See, I started this rant, with a topic. Just to get the ball rolling. Ask questions about your thoughts as well. I feel like their are actually to many dimensions to discuss.

How about magic? Does anyone believe magic is purely mental?

I ask because I prevail at mental magic. "Law of attraction, so to speak."

"The mind is its own place, and by itself can make a Heaven of Hell, and a Hell of Heaven." ― John Milton, Paradise Lost

The meaning of this passage lies within the understanding that we project what we believe to be correct in our own minds to form our perceivable reality. The mind can easily make hell into heaven if that is what we perceived hell to be. So if, in your own mind you thought the pain of burning alive forever was a pleasure full heaven then that is how you would perceive hell. Like wise, you could be in the most beautiful of paradises, but if your mind is festering with jealousy or bitterness than that paradise is lost, and the wonder before you becomes ugly.
If this fact regarding the mind and how it effects the human experience is true, then all we experience is a personalize illusion. A delusion of the mind for which only the host or a select few can understand. A projection of what we want things to be rather than what they actually are... the world truly is what you make it.

That was very well said, I am thankful for you understandings on maters as such as this. "The world is truly what we create it to be." Says the illusionist, Dagana Numara Namari. I honor thee now, truly, well said indeed.

This sorta harkens back to the creationist or evolutionary debate in that if you believe in the existence of a God or Gods then in all likely hood Heaven is an actual physical location. Where as the evolutionist is likely to see Heaven as the product of a dying mind... or NDE.

Since neither of these view points (evolution and creationism) is provable both perspectives are a leap of faith taken by the holder of that believe. So the question really is what idea or experience caused you to hold the perspective you have??

I have been paying attention to the signs as they have shown themselves to me. I can not speak for anyone else. But, through my deductive reasoning, and thought provoking theories to "Know Thyself" I have came to this simple conclusion. Upon being badly electrocuted around the age of 18, and then a stent in jail. I had a lucid dream, about my NDE. I was falling through the earths crust. There were three of us. One of us were whisked away as we fell. Through years of research about myself and my experiences. I have come to believe that the symbolism was my mind, body and soul. And my soul was the one lost in the fall.

Upon reaching the bottom, there were two of us, mind and body. From the dream, vivid dream in fact. I was the body protecting my mind from all that we saw. I know this, I speak for myself, and do not wish to be judged. I am not a liar.

I was walking with the other, hand in hand. I kept telling, "what I know now, and not then" my mind, it will be okay, we will find the other. As these creatures began to swarm us. My mind cowered into my arms. I hushed him, a voice spoke.

It came to me telepathically. I could not make it out well, until I seen the figure of deaths hood, "I know the chemical impulses of the mind and dreams, this is actually a quick summery, anyone can message me for full detail and explanation of MY experience.

The figure crept closer, hovering the other creatures were terrified of this being. "Soon to be a walk in, I lean towards this theory." It was speaking to me via esp , "All you have to do is believe." it would say this over and over again. It was getting closer. The other creatures, lost souls, demons, WHATEVER want us so bad they were ripping each other to shreds trying to reach us. The higher being stopped the, All you have to do is believe it would say... then I looked directly into his hood. I said I believe. As this deep blue hue raised out of his chest filling his hood, and into my mouth as I grew spirit wings and was "Whisked" out and back to reality.

I know who I am, and I am here for others of the like. I am here to share stories about real events. I am not here to insult anyone or offend any beings. I am half in and half out. THAT IS NOT A MESSIAH COMPLEX STATEMENT. It is my cursed truth. Be Blessed, I am gone for now. That was quite emotional for me to share even though it was not complete, in detail. Hopefully everyone understands. MSG me sometime. I am lost with out humble conversation. I must balance all of this, we can help each other in the greater good.

"What are your thoughts on the greater good? What does it mean to you?"

Its okay, none of us are, these are just our experiences and thoughts, we will never truly know, but maybe we can get close.
If we work together to help each other understand. Take care, be blessed, truly.

The secret to the evolution of one's own soul is not to try and be better than everyone else but to try and be better then you use to be.
If you can look back and say you are a better man (woman) spiritually than you use to be then you have already succeeded at the one thing in life that matters.
No other approval or explanations are needed.

You know my heart and mind well, truly, well said. That where my thoughts exactly. I titled this forum as I did. So, I may find others like me. Well done good sir!

part of me things we are already in hell. but i really haven't gave much thought into it. My thing is, heaven and hell are stories passed down and translated over and over again over thousands of generations. Who is to say what the truth really is? What if the original author was high when he started writing? Keep in mind I do not mean to offend. But really, so many cultures have their own spin on heaven and hell and all that goes with it - who is right? Is it just a story some guy made up or is it fact? Humans are made to error - who is to say that the one who started this all made an error?

Hell is a religious concept. What Chrisitians teach of it is not in agreement with what Judaism teaches. It is a man made idea and I don't believe either of these places exist as most believe. I don't dwell on such things.

Neither. Heaven and hell, if you believe in them are places we go after death. Of course one can be in their own personal hell whether its of their own doing or not.

i dont think were in neither heaven or hell but depending on what choices we make through out our life we can make our life as well as other lives a personal heaven or hell :)

as far as magic goes i do believe in magic :) its alwasy good to have an open mind on many topics :)

well i would say that it goes far more back in time that just someone thinking of it today.
look at the greeks and romans before Christ they had great ideas of heaven and hell.and we must not leave out the pagans .
http://www.ucg.org/bible-study-tools/booklets/heaven-and-hell-what-does-the-bible-really-teach/ancient-pagan-belief-in

We are to vain to accept the truth... ~bows~

Heaven or hell is a relative term.....they are religious based so your upbringing has a direct impact on your perception. What about parallel lives? Or maybe its all in our minds like the Matrix?? I think you determine your own heaven or hell. I have been through both while tripping through my life. Partly my own fault and also by letting those who tear me down to have too much influence on my decisions.

I believe that Heaven and Hell,Hades if you will exists in a different dimension.. People say there are many many heavens and many levels of hell. However, I see the night sky and all the possibilities that one of them is Heaven. What is heaven to one may be hell to another. I have not seen either for myself. I have simply experienced places that seemed like hell for a time. I felt like I was in heaven once and that was with someone special. What really defines these things?

well as for myself i do believe in both . but some have given good point its all up to the person .
how they see each or one of them.
but how can one base if one is going one way or the other on there life or what they do .
i do not think it has anything to do with that . I do believe there is a God of all love and a god of all hate . and nether one can meet . think of heaven or hell as time. its been proven by science that if you could go in time . you can not go back time will not let you or is that God control over it . and i dont believe one can go past ones death for we all die and that is a proven fact . so if you could go forward in time it would be the death of you . time has all control over us . some say time has its good and bad points but when the two meet its very bad and almost always ends in war. There for good and bad can be here but if you take them outside the realm of the living they can not be side by side for one would take away from the other . like dark and light . one would say light takes away from the dark but do we know this for fact . look at space its mostly made up of darkness . only very few stars make up the light. but the light does take away from the dark and if a star but if a star dies it goes super nova and becomes like our sun . so the point here is they both are and one can not be with out the other or there is only one and if you have all light well who would see it . to bright. if all dark who would see it to dark . so with out both you and i would not be . nor would time for its a part of both. if you believe that you have no soul then yes most likely to you no heaven or hell. but if you do believe you have a soul how could you not believe in both .

We're here, on a composting orb in the middle of space, orbiting around a supermassive black hole. And instead of doing great things, we threaten to bottleneck the collective, but already shallow gene pool via explosive detonation and projectiles. The first mistake was coming out of the trees.

Yet here we are. This may not be hell, but it certainly isn't heaven.

Neither, as I don't believe in neither.

well i would say is better not to believe in nothing then to think that we just came from an animail . i am not sure if animails have souls but if they do i would say they all go to heaven .

Well, I think it depends on your conception and interpretation. There's many perspectives about this subject. I really like the different schools of thought about this. I personally believe, Pythagorean Hylozoics is the only workable hypothesis. I agree with Theosophy also. It is exciting to learn about raising consciousness. I wish all seekers well in their gnosis. Be blessed, Lutris8

some times I seek things that I wish I would not know the answer to and the things I want the answer to don't always trun out the way I think they would . I wish I know some of the thing I do not wish to know it all . but I do believe that when we pass to the other side we will know it all and then it will not matter unless we did all we could do when we were alive . I do believe that life is not fair but also it does not always have to be so unfair . but its never on the fence if you know what I mean . I am one of thos that wants to be on the safe side of all things . never leave to much to chance when you do not have to.