Danelle Dragonetti Queen Vampyre of Colorado07:28 Nov 11 2009
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I am prompted to put my 2 cents in on this and it is my sincere hope it doesn’t get too long.
My short history (there is a very long one) is that I’ve been in occult practices since is was 14 and I am now 56. I have been a priestess and member of so many different covens and groups that it would stager most of you. As to who I have in my speed dial...LOL. I am also an author and professional (at several disciplines) . Enough pedigree!
The Black Veil was written by Michelle Belinger. She is a psy-vampyre and not sanguinarian. I believe that unless you understand the reasons behind blood feeding you can not truly understand what it is to be a vampyre. The rapport and energy released in blood feeding is nothing like psy-feeding and to use those thirteen rules contained in the Black Veil is mostly immaterial to that feeding.
I would prefer to see general guidelines instead of hard and fast rules. I have developed my own rituals and rules regarding my court. For the most part I am the ONLY public face of the Court. Since last year I have had to make changes, drastic changes that cleared the posers. Those were the only actions that would preserve the integrity of the inner circle and my authority.
I don’t necessarily hate posers but when found out I do let them know they are treading on very thin ground both physically and legally. I will see them in court if they even try to use The Queen Vampyre anywhere in Colorado.
I will say this, my inner Court does participate in “possessing the host”. (Feeding for the uninitiated). These are NOT mindless people. They have studied very hard to get there and everyone can call themselves a Magi. I teach a very deep magick course as a prerequisite to the inner Court. To say we have secrets would be an understatement. Oh, I could give you the books but you still wouldn’t know how to use the host energy and direct it.
I am not worried about, “…gainning legitimacy for the community.” I went through that with the Witches, Wiccans and Pagans and to what end? Several lawsuits, of which the ones I was involved with we won. Power plays in the community, (ever hear of “Witch Wars” in your respective communities?) There is so much regurgitate, political diarrheal rhetoric no matter what the community that I have ignored most if not all of it.
I’ve read the “Code” and The Sanguinarium”. I found them interesting. I’ve also read the vampyre material from The Temple of Set and their rituals and find them fascinating as well. I still prefer mine. I just am not ready to share them yet.
I think we need to respect our territories and communicate with each other. What I will NOT do is set rules for my Court that I do not make personally (sometimes with advise from the Court.) I have seen too many groups fall apart due to “consensus rule” instead of “totalitarian rule”. This is MY Court.
In closing let me express my intent of answering this. I think our groups need to communicate. This is a good start. Trying to use old models isn’t going to get us anywhere due to the fact that the old models for interaction do not work. They are patriarchal and based in “male” models and if I am not mistaken the “Code” defers to the “female” as the authority in vamphiric matters.
Let us see where this goes.
Your’s in Blood
Danelle Dragonetti Queen Vampyre of Colorado
----------------- Bulletin Message -----------------
From: Lord Ryu of Noctem Aeternus (45046992)
To: (79987629)
Date: 11/10/2009 6:31:00 PM
Subject: Ave my brothers and sisters
Ave, Greetings my brothers and sisters.
I have been speaking with Stephen Omallie, Rev. Vicutus, Sir Shaolin Macphee and Maven Lore. We have been reaching out to other members of the community.
About how we as a community can come up with a code of conduct we can all agree upon, and ways to enforce them.
We have been discussing making a of list of legitimate house holds and covens, and guidelines for each house hold to uphold to get on the list and to remain on the list.
Now hear us out, we are trying to find a way to better our community and protect it from those whom would do it harm.
We have all seen at some point or another were some yahoo who plays the masquerade who takes it too far and end up on the news making us look bad.
We all have a council or something like it in our states and each one has a Keeper of the Veil ( Sheriff )
what is the point in having one and Mradu if they don’t do anything?
I know this works because here in my Halo Septem Civis ( VA ) we enforce the laws we live by and have been doing so for over a year now.
We are looking for way to better our community and keep it safe, we would love to hear your thoughts on what we are trying to do.
Please feel free to contact me at RyuMorales@..yahoo.com or call 757 515 6368.
Ryu Noctem Aeternus.
Childe of Lord Father Vincent Orion and Mother Lady Saige Orion of the original Clan Sabreooth.
Founder of the House of Noctem Aeternus, Keeper of the Veil and Co-Founder of the court of the Order of the Vampyre and the Halo of Septem Civis.
As my brother Ryu has stated...we need to protect our kind. Now don’t misunderstand, this is not some wild back alley treaty where we conspirte to "rule the world" (I laugh as I type this) this comes from watching a few....what’s the word I’m looking for....oh yeah JERKOFFS who love to get in the news, on the net and any other media and boast and brag " look at me mom I’m a vampyre". We (for the most part) are adults who work and live everyday to better ourselves and our familys. I am proud of who I am, and who I choose to call family. With that said I want to help bring us together as a whole and keep the wolves from our door (the media and mundanes, not the weres....love you furry fukers LOL) . I hope that as the network of true houses and covens grow....so can we as a comunity. All voices in this matter are welcome, but please let’s not nay say, let’s work together.
Much love
Stephen O’mallie
(Insert titles here)
:: Filtering the Illegitimate ::
(an idea)
By: Rev. Vicutus, Dominus de Ordo Sekhemu
Greetz Brethren!
A pressing issue at hand has come to my attention. With so many groups claiming to be chartered by a ruling House or under the auspices of the same, it leads one to wonder if the claims hold any validity.
To weed out groups that do not adhere by certain guidelines, I propose an idea on constructing a list to be kept in each House for reference in receiving visitors and applications for affiliations; simply put, a list of Legitimate Houses Vampyric. Any household not found listed will be considered a “clandestine” group unless identified as being “legitimately independent” since the vampyre community as a whole is a huge mirror broken into thousands of shards.
This list should be for dispensation only and a ‘Committee on Vampyre Education and Service’ needs to be established on who will be maintaining its updates as well as House applications for legitimacy and confirmation of its validity.
This list should also be made available public. In doing so, seekers and members alike will be better informed in the group(s) being considered. Some may question why their own House isn’t recognized.
It is questionable whether a legitimate House should be affiliated with a clandestine group. Masonic Lodges do not allow it. However, a legitimate House may be affiliated with an Independent. So this is open for debate and vote amongst the Elders.
This is simply an idea to be tweaked & toyed around with. -END-
I am vampyric, yes; as to what path I follow (if you’re referring to the caste system), I haven’t bothered to classify myself as any of the three as of yet, simply because I can’t seem to fit directly into a particular one- and on top of that, because I don’t have a House, it would be a bit foolish to try and constrain myself to only one category, when the three paths seem to have been designed moreso to enhance a physical community than individual existence. I look like a counselor, but definitely don’t have excess energy to give away and am not exactly the warm-and-fuzzy counseling sort. I don’t have the unquenchable thirst of a priest, though I enjoy leadership duties and excel in occult practices. I’ve spent several years studying the martial arts, but I’m not a full bodied or aggressive person, as many warriors would be described. (Though I do have a passion for collecting weaponry. Heh.) I’ve been simply following various occultic paths on my own over the years, seeing what works for me and what doesn’t. Black and chaos magick seem to be doing the trick, and as you know, I subscribe to a LaVeyan philosophical system- become your own god, and learn to stand on your own. Be strong and honest with yourself.
Anyway, ego-centered ramblings overwith, here’s my take on your idea- perhaps my blabbing will help a bit, who knows?
We already have a code of conduct: the Black Veil. It may unnecessarily complicate things to create yet another code of conduct, since there are already several different versions of the Black Veil. If the entire community is involved, though- especially important leaders, as you’ve mentioned- I can see a new law system coming into effect. It is important to have a unifying code for the community in order to advance it, and one that’s enforced will only make said code more official and respected- which will, in turn, gain legitimacy for the community. An unenforced honor code can only take us so far- with enforcement, we can avoid having idiots appear on humiliating documentaries in the first place.
I fully agree with your idea that these laws need enforcing. How has your area been dealing with troublemakers? That may help to push the idea forward.
What nags at me most are the criteria for determining what is a legitimate House- the guidelines would have to be loose, non ideal-based, and primarily to do with safety to avoid having accusations of mind-control and an ideological monopoly fly around everywhere. I think a few good ones would be "doesn’t resemble a cult" (i.e. doesn’t make people hand over ridiculous amounts of cash, leave their friends/..families, and stop questioning everything while obeying the leader mindlessly) "doesn’t exploit/abuse non-vampires", and "doesn’t promote illegal activity" (initiating minors, murder, arson... you know. But a House shouldn’t be excluded simply because it accepts and condones blood drinking, provided it’s done safely). If a House is too secretive and belongs to a "clandestine group" as mentioned before, that sends up a warning flag in my mind, so it’s of my personal opinion that it shouldn’t be included- due to risk, and because vampires deserve to be able to know what they’re joining before they join. It could too easily be a cult in disguise.
The site would have to be controlled by someone fairly neutral to avoid accusations of "taking over the vampiric world". If the list becomes a pawn in politics, all kinds of havoc could result. It would definitely be best if it weren’t associated with any particular House, and the individual running it should remain a mystery.
It may also be a good idea to list on the website, in summary, what each House is about- any religious and philosophical affiliations, rank systems, location (obviously), its stance on the Black Veil, and anything else that may be of interest.
Anyway, that’s just my take on the subject. Take it or leave it as you wish; you’re the one with the authority here. I just write things.
Ronin sister Pandora Z
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