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Remember what they do for us

13:13 Feb 23 2008
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You stay up for 16 hours.
He stays up for days on end.




You take a warm shower to help you wake up.
He goes days or weeks without running water.




You complain of a "headache", and call in sick.
He gets shot at as others are hit, and keeps moving forward.




You put on your anti war/don't support the troops shirt, and go meet up with your friends.
He still fights for your right to wear that shirt.




You talk trash about your "buddies" that aren't with you.
He knows he may not see some of his buddies again.




You walk down the beach, staring at all the pretty girls.
He patrols the streets, searching for insurgents and terrorists.

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You complain about how hot it is.
He wears his heavy gear, not daring to take off his helmet to wipe his brow.




You go out to lunch, and complain because the restaurant got your order wrong.
He doesn't get to eat today.




Your maid makes your bed and washes your clothes.
He wears the same things for weeks, but makes sure his weapons are clean.




You go to the mall and get your hair redone.
He doesn't have time to brush his teeth today.




You're angry because your class ran 5 minutes over.
He's told he will be held over an extra 2 months.




You call your girlfriend and set a date for tonight.
He waits for the mail to see if there is a letter from home.




You hug and kiss your girlfriend, like you do everyday.
He holds his letter close and smells his love's perfume.




You roll your eyes as a baby cries.
He gets a letter with pictures of his new child, and wonders if they'll ever meet.




You criticize your government, and say that war never solves anything.
He sees the innocent tortured and killed by their own people and remembers why he is fighting.




You hear the jokes about the war, and make fun of men like him.
He hears the gunfire, bombs and screams of the wounded.




You see only what the media wants you to see.
He sees the broken bodies lying around him.




You are asked to go to the store by your parents. You don't.
He does exactly what he is told even if it puts his life in danger.




You stay at home and watch TV.
He takes whatever time he is given to call, write home, sleep, and eat.




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and this is the human laws?

06:50 Feb 23 2008
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Angel is my son. he and his friend got no justice.

my vow I will make him pay son this I vow!

Human laws do what for who? Fuck their LAWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!









STATEMENT BY QUEENS DISTRICT ATTORNEY RICHARD A. BROWN



Last October I sadly had to tell Monique Dixon and Diana Reyes -- as I all too often have had to tell other grieving parents and family members over the years -- that under the law the only charge that could be filed against John Wirta, the allegedly drunk driver who caused the death of Ms. Dixon’s son, Vasean, and serious injury to Ms. Reyes’ son, Angel, was the misdemeanor charge of Driving While Intoxicated.



I had to explain to them that under then existing New York law, absent evidence of recklessness or criminal negligence -- such as excessive speed or running a red light or a stop sign -- felony charges could not be filed.



Yesterday I again met with Ms. Dixon and Ms. Reyes -- together with their civil attorneys -- to discuss the pending criminal proceedings against Mr. Wirta. I told them that Wirta had offered to plead guilty to the charges filed against him -- to fully admit his guilt, waive his right to appeal and accept a sentence of 60 days in jail with the balance three years probation. In addition, he would be fined the sum of $1,000, be required to perform fifteen days of community service, participate in a drunk driving program and have his driving privileges revoked.



During our meeting Ms. Dixon and Ms. Reyes expressed, among other things, a strong desire for closure stating that the proposed plea would guarantee swift and certain justice and provide them with the knowledge that the defendant had publicly admitted his guilt. After a full discussion of all aspects of both the criminal proceedings and the pending civil litigation, the mothers and their attorneys agreed that the defendant’s proposed guilty plea be accepted.



In the months since Vasean’s tragic death and the serious injuries to Angel -- and as a result of the persistence of these mothers -- New York’s drunk driving laws have been amended and greatly strengthened. Vasean’s law is now the law of New York State. From now on a person who makes the choice of getting behind the wheel when he or she is intoxicated and causes serious injury or death will face up to seven years in state prison. No longer will the intoxicated driver who kills or maims face only misdemeanor charges.



Hopefully, that which occurred last fall in Kew Gardens Hills and the enactment of Vasean’s Law will serve as a wake-up call -- a reminder of the sad and tragic consequences of drinking and driving. Hopefully, it will prevent tragedies such as that which occurred in this case and help to create an environment in which drinking and driving is simply unacceptable.


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my thread I would still like your views on it

17:19 Feb 19 2008
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I have been on this site for 3 yrs. now and I have seen many things and learned from many. as of late I see more and more people putting down others as if they were children. ok this is not to all,but to the few who trash talk in this thread and others. how are we to learn from each other, and find new things about life so that we may have a better understand of who and what we are and the things that are out there ? So many on a vampire site down those of us who try to open up to outsiders. you say we are nuts,

not real. because of what you think you know of vampire or vampyres, what you know is nothing more than word s of others.

as is such things as God, and no I am not saying any thing about him for I have faith but yet I have never seen him nor has any one, yet people will fight to the death to say he or it is real. my point is the same way you can not prove we are not real nor can you him, yet we do not put you down. if not for those before teaching of him he would not be known. she with an open mind stop and see the views of others. we all have one thing! we all live here. this is a site for vampire/vampyres or what have you but a community none the less. if you do not like ones views thats fine but stop saying stupid shit, call others names or saying shit like you sick cause vampire are not real post shit like that in your journal this is a place to learn, how can any one learn if your minds are closed?







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Re: Learning?

Posted: 15:10:43 - Feb 19 2008

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Some people don't understand really.







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Re: Learning?

Posted: 15:12:57 - Feb 19 2008

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I am failing to see the discussion topic amongst the rant that might be better suited for the journal.



Is it the final, how can we learn unless we have open minds?



I am sure everyone here will agree that an open mind is a necessity for learning but there is also a lot of undocumented theories proposed on VR. Until proven and supported by evidence, we must be skeptical.









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Re: Learning?

Posted: 15:17:16 - Feb 19 2008

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Haha, what? That was hard to even read.







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Re: Learning?

Posted: 15:18:13 - Feb 19 2008

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being skeptical is fine putting others down because of ones views is wrong I would like to see the views of others on this topic maybe we can come to an understanding of each other. by talking it out. that is what this thread is for to help others see the mistakes that are being made, I hope that others will post what they feel so that we as a community can come to an understanding by it.







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Re: Learning?

Posted: 15:19:36 - Feb 19 2008

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you see what I mean flaming, just being rude and this person works for the site, such disrespect. come on people our we children?







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Re: Learning?

Posted: 15:23:57 - Feb 19 2008

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being rude makes you look like an ass not wise. many ravers call this site home, and many have left. because at one time it was a safe place to open up to yes there were always some who said cold and rude things but that trend has grown.







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Re: Learning?

Posted: 15:24:44 - Feb 19 2008

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i have posted many times in the forums.... more than once i was told "yeah right" or such other words... so i make it easy .... i don't post in there... don't want to be put down becuse of what i may have seen or what i believe..... i am not ranting just be honest







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Re: Learning?

Posted: 15:26:17 - Feb 19 2008

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Sometimes a opened mind, is hard to come by now a days.







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Re: Learning?

Posted: 15:27:38 - Feb 19 2008

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we lose out on things because of others, to become blind even just to one piece of the picture is to become blind to what makes life, Life!







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Re: Learning?

Posted: 15:36:33 - Feb 19 2008

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This site by its very nature is open minded. We do have threads about vampires, magick, aliens, ghosts, and other paranormal occurences. There is however guidelines for posting and admins who try their best to foster worthwhile discussion without diving into the nonsense. Where else can you really talk about out of body experience and marine vampires and it not be immediately struck down as nonsense? Here you just have to understand how to craft a solid discussion question and people for the most part leave you alone. There are thousands of VR threads over time, and most of them never get RIAd. VR is a wonderful place to have discussions of the alternative nature, and just because you might have had some personal issues of dominars closing your threads, does not mean that it is a close minded site.







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Re: Learning?

Posted: 16:11:34 - Feb 19 2008

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Meeper you have a point, this site is open minded, just some of the new age kids now a days have no clue or idea whats really going on. And they believe what they are told by the adults that rule there life.







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Re: Learning?

Posted: 16:34:35 - Feb 19 2008

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I believe VR as a site is opened minded with many open minded people. But as with all groups and societies you get small minded petty people that like to put others down to big note themselves or just to feel superior.



Life is full of mysteries and all I can say to someone of a close minded nature is PROVE your right! When you can prove your point of view is factual and the truth, then you will be listened to.



A difficult task for many I am sure!







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Re: Learning?

Posted: 16:46:35 - Feb 19 2008

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i see what you all have pointed out.

this is simply what happens when a community website grows. more and more children (mentally) join and decide we all need to hear their uneducated points of view. i've found ignoring them has it's benefits, they don't get the rise out of me they so desire and eventually wander off to annoy someone who will react to their antics and i get the deep pleasure of not lowering myself to that level. it doesn't bother me not to post often in the forums, since this is where most of them hang out.









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Re: Learning?

Posted: 17:08:09 - Feb 19 2008

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ok this has nothing to do with my treads. meeper I am sorry if you feel that I was pointing that way. as is said above people tend to stop posting because of others. I post in my coven or my site. I came back here because of the friends I have made here and because I love the site by no means am I putting down the site. what I am trying to do is have all of those who feel shut down as of late come forth and take a stand to point out how they feel. about what is going on. A discussion about how the members feel I think can help the site grow with a better understanding







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Re: Learning?

Posted: 17:12:39 - Feb 19 2008

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do you know how many members stay away from the forums because of the way things are? do you not find that sad? I do I love this site and would love for it to grow with understanding. and yes the site it self is open minded but many of its new members and some of the new admins are not nor do they show respect to someone else view.







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Re: Learning?

Posted: 17:15:34 - Feb 19 2008

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you are very right and i am sure that the more we try to work on this issue the harder it will get before it gets better.you cant expect everyone to have an open mind just like you cant expect to cram he knowledge you have down their throats.it has to be of equal opportunity and respect before anything gets better.







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Re: Learning?

Posted: 17:20:39 - Feb 19 2008

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true indeed







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Re: Learning?

Posted: 17:23:38 - Feb 19 2008

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For one thing I still feel very strongly about making this site 18+ or even 16. Sure there are respectful and smart younger adults as well, but a lot of the content or things that are said around here, should be considered 18+.



It would also weed out those who may think this to be some kind of dating site, which I for one find rather annoying.



Though, the forums, some people try to make a decent topic for a thread and then have it shut down by some pompous asshole, who talks to you like you are a bloody moron.



And I think that is wrong. If you hold some kind of authority on this site, then at least make suggestions on how to make the topic of discussion more understandable, instead of throwing insults at someone who is trying to create a decent topic that some people may actually be interested in.







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Re: Learning?

Posted: 17:25:22 - Feb 19 2008

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Thank you some one who understand what I am saying thank you HATS OFF TO YOU SIS







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Re: Learning?

Posted: 17:28:24 - Feb 19 2008

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Thank you brother.



We are here to learn from each other. This is a community. It's sad to see a lot of disrespect going on. And that only goes to show, how human we all really are.







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Re: Learning?

Posted: 17:30:26 - Feb 19 2008

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Yes, this site is for learning, but I also have to point out that people on this site are here to take advantage of young people. I had a man try to solicit me to be a veil, his profile stated how he wanted to take prospective veils out to dinner, and then exchange blood and semen with them. This was not an RPGer, as an Admin told me, this guy is a genuine article.



The young people on here have to understand that they can only learn from certain sources, doesn't matter if they are an Admin, acolyte, Sire, whatever.........people have to use sound judgment in general when learning things, even about vampires, and alot of young people don't use sound judgment on sites like this...........



Sorry, that's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it







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Re: Learning?

Posted: 17:36:09 - Feb 19 2008

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i agree with you that trying to make a thread better, when the author is honestly trying to have a good discussion instead of slamming it closed or putting down anyone makes excellent sense :)

i've seen threads closed for grammar and spelling alone (bad grammar and spelling annoy me, but that doesn't mean i should force others to comply to my standards) although someone else re-opened at least one of those i felt bad for the people who started those threads, they had legit questions and good ideas for discussions, they just didn't write very well.



there are those threads started by close minded people that should be shut down, and we all can usually spot those, but sometimes a little closer attention, and not just by Admins, can turn a so-so discussion into an enjoyable one.



i enjoy the forum, when i have something to share, but too often i avoid it anymore because of attitudes and i realize that's my choice.







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Re: Learning?

Posted: 17:36:12 - Feb 19 2008

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Ah good post brother



I had noticed since I started a definite hardcore group who seem to have one agenda and that is to blatantly attack vampire beliefs.



One would expect more respect or question why they even wish to be here on VR.

It’s like joining a catholic forum and scream gods never was you’re a crazy bunch believing in your imagination. There’s no scientific proof… nuttters lol

So why is it tolerated here?







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Re: Learning?

Posted: 17:40:51 - Feb 19 2008

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perhaps it's tolerated more because it IS an open minded based website...

holding to the belief that anyone can have their opinion and voice it.....

even if it's closed minded.



hmmm







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Re: Learning?

Posted: 17:42:15 - Feb 19 2008

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Its about opinions and everyone has a right to speak theres NO MATTER what their beliefs, whether they think vampires are real or not thats not the issue.







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Re: Learning?

Posted: 17:57:32 - Feb 19 2008

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yes we all see things differently but it is the way you word it. it is about respect that is what the site is lacking the way things are said even by the admin.







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Re: Learning?

Posted: 18:03:24 - Feb 19 2008

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ah that's the heart of it!

it's not about open mindedness or closed mindedness

it's about respect to others and THEIR opinions and views



i apologize for getting a little off the point there



i believe everyone should have respect for others. whether you are old, young, new and old. and yes i believe that respect for others has gotten lax when disagreements arise in the forum. it doesn't make it enjoyable for anyone, even someone like me who usually only reads and doesn't comment.









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Re: Learning?

Posted: 18:06:34 - Feb 19 2008

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Todays society U really have to keep hiding what u are and what u practice

It is hard to say but I do keep my faith of what I practice I practice satanism alot lately more now so , I still study vampyerism .

It isnt good to put eachother down I see what you are saying people should start learning about one another on here

and sharing their experiances and teaching what they know

or helping some one that is new not put stupid words or marks or put any one down







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Re: Learning?

Posted: 18:12:41 - Feb 19 2008

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its about respecting each others view and wording things better when saying how you see things. saying someone is stupid because they are not good with spelling, or calling people nuts because they are vampyric or live their lives as such. it is about taking a stand and trying to put an end to the disrespect. and growing as a community.







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Re: Learning?

Posted: 18:37:56 - Feb 19 2008

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Ok I can see where you are coming from totally I have seen threads shut down because someone didn't word something right and the admin who shut it down was not nice about telling the person who posted how stupid it was because it was not worded in a more understandable way instead of giving some insight on how it could have been worded better. I actually was interested in what she had to say so messaged her to talk about what she meant and hear more of what she had to say. I agree it is a good site for learning but the rude comments could be kept to a minimum. I agree everyone has an opinion and it is totally fine to let someone know you do or do not believe in something but like was stated it is the wording used. telling someone they are nuts and need therapy for believing they are a vampire is not an opinion it is just bashing but to say you can believe you are a vampire but it is not something I believe in would be better and show respect for the other opinions made.







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Re: Learning?

Posted: 18:43:54 - Feb 19 2008

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I do agree that as a multicultured site as this one we, as a collective should learn to lean on each other in order to grow in mind and spirit.



But like always "learn" to keep heady drama and whatnot in proper places.







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Re: Learning?

Posted: 18:55:01 - Feb 19 2008

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Alright, this is where I step in...Not that I am special mind you (Chuckles).



For one people, we need to all remember that this is a site which clearly states in teh VR manual that the site age group is rather young. We do have many many minors on this site.



But, it is not nessessarily these youth that cause the chaos, but rather the adults that fuel the flames with threads such as this.



The comment of "people on this site are here to take advantage of young people." should be reiterated to "a few people on this site are here to take advantage of young people." This would be taken offense to by many on this site without the reiteration, including myself, as I am not here for the abuse but rather the knowledge apartained through this site.



I think the Dominars do a fine job, when they are around, not that I am defending them, but they are most of the time in the right about closing many of the threads in the forum. Such as those of political views, spelling and grammar, things that belong in journals such as this thread.



They do their jobs as they are instructed by the rules of the VR manual. Cancer chose them for a reason, I will not argue his judgement.



As for toleration and closemindedness, this will be apparent within all walks of life, you cannot please every individual that walks through your door. Which is why the freedom of choice is a privilage to have...If you do not like something, do not read it...Go onto the next topic up for discussion. Seems as though a few of the adults here are acting as though they are the present adolesence.



Ending my rant, I will just say that we need to remember who we are, where we come from and not basis indignant judgement on those of whom are less fortunate. Always, always govern yourselves accordingly. Remember, respect is not given, it is earned.



My two cents. Take them for what they are worth...As with all opinions. With a grain of salt.







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Re: Learning?

Posted: 18:56:14 - Feb 19 2008

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Lifestyles and beliefs are one thing.



Documented fact another.



eg....read what someone like UpirLikhyj has researched regarding vampires, then consider the frustration when we read what has been written on some posts.



I don't think it's unreasonable to challenge any question raised on a public platform, but would agree nothing is served by rudeness.



As for how a question is framed, well my first language is English, that is not the case for many members.



Though bad spelling does not bother me unduly how about a compromise ?



For members who are sometimes unsure if a post is going to be understood, why not just run it past a Coven member first ?











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Re: Learning?

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I agree with satansbride . This is what i love about the forums. Its very open minded and we can discuss pretty much anything we need to discuss and get opinions from others. I find myself learning stuff this way. It reminds me when I was sitting in college learning about history and pyschology and such. Everyone was open to discussion. I came on to VR to learn from everyone because I do miss being in college but for now I cant afford to go due to health issues. Im glad I joined this site.







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Re: Learning?

Posted: 19:07:33 - Feb 19 2008

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This is the first time I have seen a post from you in a thread. So apparently, you are speaking generally and not specifically asking the person (s) about their comments. That is very generic don’t you think? If you feel so offended by someone’s comment or post than direct a question to the appropriate party to be fair than broadcast a plea of pity. This way the person has the opportunity to respond. You really do not know how or why they are responding the way threads go when you come in and are jumping into a conversation do you.



As to learning – This is not the “University of Vampires” this is Vampire Rave an online community with people of ages from 13 years and higher. This is a place to have fun and meet people and if you can learn from others than that great, take what you can, do not expect it!



To write a sentence such as “saying shit like you sick cause vampire are not real post shit like that in your journal this is a place to learn” I repeat this is NOT the University of Vampires. You may want to try grammar check first before vampire school.







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Re: Learning?

Posted: 19:14:33 - Feb 19 2008

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In all large groups there are individuals with hidden agenda's. I believe some people are here to impede the exchange of knowledge about vampires because of religious views, need for control, mental illness or to just cause problems. Nonetheless, everyone is entitled to their opinion, however, if you absolutely do not believe in any form of vampire, you need to answer the question of why you are here at a vampire site ? Many people are confused with what a real vampire is because of Hollywood and think of vampires as just fictional characters. If you do not believe... go to the underground world and your eyes will be opened. The vampiric culture is a lifestyle, religion, fashion, and more... It is a belief that gives members an object of devotion. As real as any religion.







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Re: Learning?

Posted: 19:17:41 - Feb 19 2008

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Well although I do agree this is not the university of vampires it is the Ultimate Vampire Resource and Directory. People do come here to learn from like minded people or to learn more of things they don't understand







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Re: Learning?

Posted: 19:22:34 - Feb 19 2008

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Ultimate Vampire Resource and Directory - thats what the advert is - there are 10 other places on the net that have resourses too... however this site is designed differantly and also lets 13 yr and up all other sites are 18 and older







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that is true it is one that lets the younger people who want to know more about vampires and the like to learn more from the older members that are here. I agree it is set up differently then a lot of other sites and I like this one best because I can keep track of my daughters on here and guide them to reading material right here on the site to learn more of the things that interest them.







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Re: Learning?

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I think the best devil protrayed in hollywood was George Burns. Only a man as old as he can potray God and the Devil.. Gr8 stuff ...seriously



I also liked Sam Niel as the the Antichrist in Omen 3.... I picture Satan as a good lookin guy with such tender in his eyes ..so sweet and innocent looking one who can charm the world with his knowledge and charisma. Then again Angels are androgynous so the Devil can appear as both..







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Posted: 19:30:12 - Feb 19 2008

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Right.. .however remember you have to do your own fact checking







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Re: Learning?

Posted: 19:31:05 - Feb 19 2008

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GirlOfTheValley - silly - you posted in the wrong thread







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Re: Learning?

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A lot of good points have been made in this thread. Though I have to agree that when you post you should be respectful. Communities have their little problems, ours does as well. Posts that put down or bash a thread aren't called for. That's not why we are here. And to only post something such as "Vampires aren't real" in a thread is a waste of our time. If you don't believe that they are real in our sense or any other then why be here? We come here to share experiences and learn, not put down other people's ideas or beliefs. If you don't have a constructive thing to say then don't say anything. Respect one another and we will all get along.







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Posted: 19:42:09 - Feb 19 2008

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(Chuckles) I am still finding it quite amuzing that most of you are bothered by the tiniest details. Live and let learn for crying out loud.







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It's not that they are tiny details. I find that it's the pointlessness about it. Why post when you don't have anything to really contribute? I mean if you don't think something exists or a belief is false put it in your profile or journal where it belongs. To continuously spout the same bland thing is annoying and has no purpose.







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Posted: 20:30:19 - Feb 19 2008

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ColeDashinor - and what did your last post contribute?







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Posted: 20:49:48 - Feb 19 2008

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id like to put my two sence in if i can..

I see people get real upset in here alot..



why is that.. its just the internet..... some would say, well i use the internet to communicate with, back in the day it was the cb radio, and now its the computer.



I concider this a great place to communicate and to make great friends as i have but as far as the forums go, i wish they could be alittle freeier then they are but its the way it is to keep the drama down..



im learning alot in these threads and if it wasnt for these threads how would i no any thing..



I admitt i cant answer alot of threads or even make one up.. i have no topics to talk about but i do ask my questions , some do get answered some dont..

thats how i learn..







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Posted: 20:53:42 - Feb 19 2008

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oh i forgot vampire rave to me is a community and also a busines for cancer and a nice collection of vampire stuff..







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Posted: 22:14:58 - Feb 19 2008

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Theshining1 - thank you so much and ya know I still am from the age of the CB radio which many of our young members may not know what that tool of communication is and not be aware that its still is in use.







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Ah, the good ole breaker one niner...that would be frequency 19 for all you greenhorns out there (Chuckles).







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Posted: 23:10:59 - Feb 19 2008

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I see this is a thread about respect of others and their views.

So I find it rather amusing that some are doing exactly what this thread is trying to point out, disrespecting and attacking others views lol

In the world around us or on the internet, people aren't going to agree or share the same views on certain subjects, that's just how it goes.

You can't expect everyone to, lets say, like the colour yellow when they would rather have blue.









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Posted: 23:37:57 - Feb 19 2008

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If I am a guilty party, who then says I am either attacking, or beguiling this thread? I may be musing myself with replies to non consequencial posts, but that is by no means interupting this thread with hatred, and bickering.



To me, the post complaining about the other posts in this thread is just fueling the fire...Now I am negative, but only for a moments time...



(Chuckles) Always gotta blame somebody.







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Posted: 23:41:36 - Feb 19 2008

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Now that exactly what I'm saying :-)

What I see as attacking you see as something else!!

Every single one of us will always, at times agree to disagree and that what's great about having an opinion, someone will always see it in a different light







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The only thing I see going on at this point is once again, non consequencial nagging. Mindless bantery much ado about nothing.



Let the children of the Rave be children, let all others carry on as deemed fit. Just another thread that bites the dust in the future. Take a pill.







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Agreed and I will take said pill in due time but others may not, so the theme of this thread will continue.

Opinions will always exist and comments will always be made. Fact of Life







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(Chuckles) Kudos to you Mitsi, someone with common sense...



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Soulshroude You have a very good point







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You know, I am surprised this has been allowed to stay open as long as it has... because it does very much sound like a rant.



I have heard time and time again people say this site is for 'learning', a place to teach the 'community'. Something you REALLY need to learn is that those of you in that category only make up a portion of this site. Cancer never states anywhere on VR that is the reason for this site. This site is for many things, and above all in my opinion is entertainment.



I did not join out of any interest in sang or psy vampirism. I accept that it is going to be a topic here, and at the same time you need to expect people who are fans of fiction and myth will be here too. What is Vampire Rave about and why is it here? Read it from the horse's mouth.



Vampire Rave and its History

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I registered the domain name VampireRave.com on November 11th 2000. At the time I was running VampireRadio.com.



Vampire Radio was at its peak. It had expanded into sponsoring many local events in the Phoenix, Arizona area. Mobil DJ gear was purchased and Vampire Radio put on several small concerts featuring area bands.



It was planned that Vampire Radio would further expand and start sponsoring Vampire Rave's in the area. I wanted to start by renting halls and then later move onto larger venues.



This project never came to fruition. On July 15th 2001 I performed my last episode of The Cancer Project. I stepped away from Vampire Radio for a bit. I put the assistant Station Manager in charge and I took a break.



In April of 2002 Vampire Radio closed completely. It was around this time that I started thinking about a new direction for the Vampire Rave project. I decided to create an all-inclusive database-driven website that cataloged every occurrence of the vampire throughout history in all media formats.



It was a big project and I wasn't anywhere near ready to begin. The issue was compounded in June of 2003 when I launched Acrimony, an alternative-gothic web magazine. Acrimony was soon taking up every moment of my free time.



Somehow, in June of 2004 I finally began working on Vampire Rave. I was still working on Acrimony at the time. However by October of 2004 I could no longer juggle both projects. I stopped working on Acrimony and I devoted 100% of my time to expanding Vampire Rave.



My original intent for Vampire Rave, although now somewhat on the back burner, still remains. It is my goal to have this site catalog every occurrence of the vampire throughout history.



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This is just ranting and bickering that belongs in a journal. It is solving nothing, the only thing it is doing is putting Rave members against each other. There are healthy debates like on if aliens exist or not and there are unhealthy debates where brother goes against sister in a family feud. And this is exactly that.



If there is someone putting down another's way of life, that is their opinion. True the bashing is unacceptable and they are only hurting themselves. You know what you are, if it hurts you that much to hear mindless ramblings of someone putting you down then I think you should be questioning your true nature then another's words.

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this is why we have the Black Veil, Pillars the vampyric laws

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it is Mother Fuckers like this asshole who give us true Vampyres/Vampires a really bad fucking rep. I hope this motherfucker DIES IN JAIL!

it is old news but this just go's to show why we have our laws and codes of conduct.



The Virginian-Pilot



THE VIRGINIAN-PILOT

Copyright (c) 1996, Landmark Communications, Inc.



DATE: Monday, February 5, 1996 TAG: 9602050028

SECTION: LOCAL PAGE: B1 EDITION: FINAL

SOURCE: BY MIKE MATHER, STAFF WRITER

DATELINE: VIRGINIA BEACH LENGTH: Long : 123 lines



ON THE TOP OF THE OCCULT THE DETECTIVE WORKING VIRGINIA BEACH'S "VAMPIRE" CASE IS A VETERAN AT INVESTIGATION ALLEGED FORCES OF DARKNESS



If Jon C. Bush actually were a vampire - as he has claimed to police and dozens of his teenage followers - then Detective Don Rimer admits he would've been powerless against him.



After all, a real vampire could have thwarted police any number of mysterious ways, including ``disappearing into a mist when we came to get him,'' Rimer said. But Bush's vampiric arsenal of face paint and snap-on fangs was no match for Rimer's typewritten arrest warrant, so Bush is in jail and Rimer is busy gathering evidence for a growing case against him.



``That should be a lesson to all the kids who have an interest in the gothic side of things,'' Rimer said.



This isn't the first weird case the 25-year veteran has investigated. In fact, Rimer is the Virginia Beach Police Department's expert on vampires, grave robbers, the occult, black magic, Satanism and all things bizarre.



Sometimes that means figuring out if a neighborhood cat was mutilated as part of a ritualistic ceremony or out of simple cruelty. Or if cryptic markings drawn on someone's door are coded threats or simple graffiti. Or if a teenager's penchant for dark clothes and wild tattoos is dangerous or harmless.



And Rimer gets to write search warrants looking for ``any paraphernalia concerning vampirism, demonology, lycanthropy or witchcraft'' and ``costumes and any accessories related to the above topics.'' Lycanthropy is what makes someone a werewolf.



``I've always had an interest in studying the occult, mainly from the literary side,'' Rimer said. ``I watch for national patterns, because when something is happening nationally, it's only a matter of time before it comes here.''



The interest is a vast departure from his regular job, as a family-violence detective, and from his regular life, as a husband of 30 years, the coach of his 12-year-old daughter's softball team and a life member of the volunteer rescue squad.



Belying his easy manner and avuncular appearance, the 49-year-old mustachioed and bespectacled detective has earned a reputation here and nationally as a leading expert on the occult.



His extensive reference library contains such titles as ``Cults That Kill,'' ``The Devil's Web'' and ``The Satanic Bible.'' And although Rimer is among the top scholars, he also is a top skeptic.



``I personally do not believe it has any power at all,'' Rimer said. ``I think it would be a very frustrating experience for someone.''



Rimer said practitioners often participate in elaborate rituals to produce a desired outcome, but are always disappointed.



Even last year, when a ``card-carrying Satanist'' claimed credit for a series of mishaps that befell witnesses against him, he was convicted of murder anyway.



``Their excuse is that they didn't do something right,'' he said. ``Instead of relying on mere faith in their religion, they have to do all these rituals and ceremonies. They demand immediacy.''



And the more urgently a practitioner needs a result, ``the more hideous, frightening and dangerous the ceremony becomes,'' Rimer said.



Rimer's curiosity in the occult was spawned while he was a student at Oklahoma State University, in his home state.



In Oklahoma, he was a firefighter in Lawton, where he married and had a son, who is now a minister in Chesapeake. In 1971, Rimer, his wife and young son moved to Virginia Beach with a police academy slot awaiting him. He finished first in the class.



In 1986, he became a detective.



``I really wanted to get involved in the investigation of crimes, instead of just taking the reports,'' Rimer said.



In the late 1980s, when police saw a rise in grave robberies and animal mutilations, Rimer attended a conference on occult crimes. That led to other conferences and, eventually, he progressed from student to teacher and consultant.



His main aim is to educate children and parents, he said. Unchecked, an overzealous interest in the occult can lead a child to mutilate himself, break down mentally or commit suicide.



``Failure means death in many of the cases,'' he said.



As a kid, Rimer often dressed up as Roy Rogers with a six-gun slinging from his hip. He was playing a role then just as the vampire followers play a role now.



``But then, the good guy always won,'' Rimer said. ``Now, some of the role models are negative ones.''



A surge in books and films romanticizing vampires has fueled groups like Bush's followers, Rimer said. Modern vampires have become popular because they are deemed resistant to the threats that once doomed them. Like bugs that develop immunity to pesticides, most fictional vampires operate quite well around crucifixes and daylight.



Bush, who by day was a heating and air conditioning repairman, allegedly targeted 13- to 16-year-old girls to join his secret clan, where initiation rituals included sexual assaults, Rimer said.



That's the age group most influenced by occult undercurrents, when a mix of adolescent rebellion, turmoil and insecurity makes teens vulnerable.



Most of the 30 or so members of Bush's vampire family were typical of teens who become involved in such cults. They were smart, yet underachieving. They didn't feel like they belonged in more popular groups, and they had few other social contacts. Many came from fragmented families.



Most often, it is middle- and upper-income teens who delve into the occult, Rimer said, but Bush targeted children from all backgrounds.



``One of the girls, a 13-year-old girl, told me it gave her the chance to be and to have everything she didn't have in her life,'' Rimer said.



Bush assigned new members roles and duties, which made them acceptable and desirable.



And that was the attraction.



``When you have a child who lacks confidence in himself, and you give him a new personality, a role, with specific strengths and weaknesses, you make him a much better person than he is in life,'' Rimer said. ``These kids were given power, authority and other traits they didn't have before.''



But they also were raped and forced to perform oral sex, police say.



Since Bush's arrest, ``The family has fallen apart,'' Rimer said. ``Most of the kids have dropped out and given it up. They've seen now what happens.''



Rimer expects several of Bush's once-loyal female followers to testify against the 26-year-old in an upcoming sexual-assault trial, or trials.



The detective plans to present further evidence against Bush to a grand jury next month. Bush is being held without bail. ILLUSTRATION: Color photo by MARTIN SMITH-RODDENThe Virginian-Pilot



Don Rimer, a family-violence detective, is known nationally as an



expert on the occult, which he's studied since college.



KEYWORDS: OCCULT VAMPIRE ARREST





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Copyright (c) 1996, Landmark Communications, Inc.



DATE: Wednesday, September 11, 1996 TAG: 9609110451

SECTION: LOCAL PAGE: B1 EDITION: FINAL

SOURCE: BY JON FRANK, STAFF WRITER

DATELINE: VIRGINIA BEACH LENGTH: 73 lines



``VAMPIRE'' DEFENDANT FOUND GUILTY HE'S CONVICTED OF 30 COUNTS OF SEX CRIMES AGAINST TEEN GIRLS



Jon C. Bush was convicted Tuesday of 30 sexual crimes against eight underage girls he molested as an initiation rite into his make-believe family of vampires.



Judge Alan E. Rosenblatt, who presided over Bush's two-day, nonjury trial, said he will sentence the 26-year-old Bush Nov. 26.



Bush, expected to be examined by a psychiatrist as part of a presentence report ordered by Rosenblatt, faces up to 180 years in prison.



In making his ruling, Rosenblatt said testimony in the trial showed that Bush had ``a demonstrated pattern of conduct'' that could have resulted in ``far more charges . . . against Mr. Bush than were brought.''



In all, the charges included 22 felonies and eight misdemeanors, including nine counts of having carnal knowledge, two counts of attempted carnal knowledge, nine counts of crimes against nature, two counts of taking indecent liberties and eight counts of contributing to the delinquency of a minor.



The charges stemmed from allegations that Bush had intercourse or oral sex with eight girls ranging in age from 13 to 16 from November 1995 to January of this year.



Several of the victims and members of their families said Tuesday that the matter won't be resolved for them until Bush is sentenced.



``Everyone will feel better once an adequate sentence has been given,'' said the brother of one of the victims.



``I'll settle for 100 years,'' said a 17-year-old girl who was 16 when Bush molested her in the parking lot of a mall.



According to testimony Monday, Bush had sex with the girls by recruiting them into a role-playing game called ``Vampire: The Masquerade.''



Although the vampire game was often conducted in public - sometimes at local malls, where Bush and other participants dressed in black clothing and used black makeup on their faces - he convinced the girls to keep the sexual activity a secret.



``I wasn't supposed to tell anybody, especially my mom,'' said one of the eight victims who testified Monday



Bush, an air-conditioning technician who lived in Virginia Beach with his mother, told the girls he was the ``elder'' vampire in the role-playing game and claimed to have special powers, such as ESP and mind-control.



Initiation into the game required that the girls be ``embraced'' in one of three ways. The way Bush most often pursued was having sex with the girls.



After bringing them into his group, Bush convinced the girls to introduce him to their friends, especially those who were ``loose'' and having difficulties with their families. Prosecutors maintained that Bush was looking for girls who would be easy targets for his sexual advances.



Sometimes, according to testimony Monday, Bush intimidated the girls into having sex with him through threats against both the girls and their families.



But Bush's lawyer, Lynndolyn T. Mitchell, said Tuesday that the girls participated willingly in the vampire group and were encouraged to exaggerate the sexual aspects of the case by zealous police investigators.



``To (the girls) it was an activity,'' Mitchell said. ``Some people like cheerleading or soccer; they were into the vampire club.''



On Tuesday, several members of the vampire family testified that the girls were willing participants in the vampire game who never showed any fear of Bush.



``It was just a game,'' said 15-year-old Kim Dillon, who explained that all of the victims she knew enjoyed being around Bush. She was not the victim of a sexual assault.



``They were always happy around him and stuff,'' she said.



``No one was afraid as far as I could tell,'' said 17-year-old Jarrod Givens, who met Bush in December and became a member of the vampire group.



But prosecutor Mike Moore said Bush did use scare-tactics with some of his victims.



``I would submit that not every single victim was terrified of him or intimidated by him, but that at least some of them were,'' Moore said. ILLUSTRATION: Color photo



KEYWORDS: SEX CRIME SEXUAL ASSAULT VAMPIRE CONVICTION





The Virginian-Pilot



THE VIRGINIAN-PILOT

Copyright (c) 1996, Landmark Communications, Inc.



DATE: Friday, January 19, 1996 TAG: 9601190592

SECTION: FRONT PAGE: A1 EDITION: FINAL

SOURCE: BY MIKE MATHER, STAFF WRITER

DATELINE: VIRGINIA BEACH LENGTH: Medium: 100 lines



MORE ``VAMPIRE'' VICTIMS SAY THEY WERE BITTEN, ASSAULTED



Since police launched and publicized an investigation into a self-professed vampire, about a dozen girls have come forward to say they were sexually assaulted or bitten during initiation rites, detectives said.



On Thursday, a day after the suspect's arrest, Detective Don Rimer said he interviewed two girls who belonged to the vampire ``family,'' and at least four others have made appointments.



``I am really alarmed by the number of people he has had sexual contact with,'' Rimer said.



Police are considering all female members of 26-year-old Jon C. Bush's vampire family as potential assault victims because sexual contact was required for initiation, Rimer said. And because all the female members are juveniles, any sexual contact would be illegal, Rimer said.



So far, Bush is charged with rape and sodomy in cases involving two teenage girls whose cooperation with police led to the investigation.



Rimer and his partner, Detective Gary Knowles, fielded dozens of calls Thursday from concerned parents, teachers, guidance counselors and teens. Police have said prospective members were recruited from several middle and high schools. Most callers offered details about Bush or clan members.



Meanwhile, police gave more details about the vampire family they said was headed by Bush, a heating and air conditioning worker who lives with his mother in Virginia Beach.



Rimer said Bush claimed to have psychic ability and ``powers he didn't enumerate.'' He also placed himself near the top of the 14 levels of the vampire clan, the detective said.



Bush said he is the ``elder,'' or head of his 30-member family, but ``princes'' above him control wide geographic regions. The lowest members were new family recruits, Rimer said.



The suspect ``manages the family. He controls them, he tells them what to do and where to go,'' said Rimer, an expert on occult lifestyles. ``He is the administrator, so to speak.''



Heading the family also meant handing out punishment, Rimer said. Police said Bush punished wayward members with an activity called a ``bloodhunt.''



A clan member who had broken a rule - such as disrespecting Bush - would be taken into a patch of woods at night and set loose. A few minutes later, the remainder of the vampire clan pursued. If the wayward member eluded the pack until dawn, he was welcomed back into the family. If he was caught, the clan members descended upon him and bit him, and he was banished.



Bush's family was loosely based on a commercially available game called ``Vampire: The Eternal Struggle.'' It is a card game where players assume the identities of characters and then, through political and physical struggles, try to gain control of adversaries. It is similar to the more popular fantasy role-playing game, ``Dungeons and Dragons.''



Although Bush frequently played the game, Rimer said most of his followers didn't. Their ties to him were social, often including parties and sex, Rimer said.



According to Rimer, members painted their faces white and their lips and left-hand fingernails black for excursions into local malls or to the Oceanfront. Sometimes, the family would surround Bush in a protective circle as they walked. Bush, who often wore snap-on fangs, would walk with his hands folded in an X across his chest.



The masquerade was designed to pique the interest of teens, who were quietly recruited.



Bush encouraged male family members to recruit female members, mostly from Virginia Beach schools, Rimer said. For a girl to be initiated, or ``embraced,'' as Bush called it, she had to let Bush bite her on the breasts, submit to oral sex, or have intercourse, Rimer said.



Male members were simply ``marked,'' or bitten hard enough to leave a bruise or impression.



Although biting was common in Bush's vampire family, drinking blood wasn't, Rimer said.



Most people who believe they are vampires typically drink blood because they think it makes them stronger or more virile, but Bush instead ``fed'' on sexual conquests, Rimer said.



``His goal was the sexual activity,'' Rimer said. ``In every encounter with females, there was at least the attempt. Every girl we have talked to said he tried. That's how he embraced them. That's how he fed.''



An 18-year-old woman who asked not to be identified said Bush was obsessed with sex when she met him four years ago. As a 14-year-old runaway, she said she and a friend met Bush and his cousin and stayed with them at an Oceanfront hotel.



``He was always forcing himself on me,'' she said. ``He kept saying how much he wanted me. I bought a knife at the grocery store and kept it with me because I was scared.''



She said the two-day encounter with him still unnerves her.



Rimer said there may be many more sexual assault victims who are afraid to come forward. Police are encouraging anyone who has had contact with Bush to call detectives Rimer or Knowles at 427-4101. ILLUSTRATION: Color photos



The vampire family of Jon Bush (left) was loosely based on the card



game ``Vampire: The Eternal Struggle.'' Players assume the



identities of characters, then try to gain control of their



adversaries. Although Bush frequently played the game, detectives



said most of his followers didn't.



KEYWORDS: RAPE SEX CRIME ASSAULT ARREST



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