What do you consider a TRUE vampire is? Are they the full on blood drinkers, who need blood to survive? Or are they the kind who apparently live off energy?
If you beleive something different, dont be afraid to let us know :)
Psychic/Sanguinarian vampirism are two sides to the same coin. Both depend on energy to survive, and the source of said energy is either a direct psychic feed, or consumption of small quantities of blood. Whether you feel that the 'condition' is spiritual or psychosomatic, the fact of the matter is vampires don't necessarily live any particularly dark lifestyle, can go out in the sunlight, aren't undead, etc.
Someone who lists more than the above two types of living vampire are merely listing different aspects of the same condition. Astral/sexual/emotional/pranic/etc. vampires all feed on the same thing: energy, making them a psychic vampire, making them nothing particularly different from the base definition of a psychic vampire.
I'm tired of defining this over and over again. 'Vampire', when used to describe the real living variety, is a misnomer. Plain and simple.
CR - That definition belongs to ONE person, i'm looking for wide range of opinions, but thank you :)
I think vampires should need blood to survive and those who need energy can have a new name that way things don't get confused but i'm no expert by any means
I've thought that too, but it's probably too late in the game to suddenly try to change the terminology. Everyone in the community refers to themselves as vampires, and given that there's no worldwide communication between communities, it probably wouldn't take hold. Plus it's generally assumed (I believe) that living vampires generally accept that immortals don't exist, and any reference to the word in the community automatically implies the living variety.
Personally my idea of true Vampirism as far as humans doesnt really have to do with blood all the time.A true Vamp sucks everything out of another entity.Whether it be energy,money strength,emotion.Take me for instance,Im in the oil biz and its been a long standing "joke" in my family that we are Vampires..sucking the very sonovial fluid or,if you will,essential fluid from the Earth,etc..
The label covers alot of angles if you ask me.
I am both sang and psi- I consider them both to exist for/from energy, no matter the form it is fed from- it IS energy, and ergo, I am a vampire. I was born this way, I was this way in other incarnations, and this makes me a true vampire- not some bitten fictional hollywood attention seeking gamer or nonesuch. Just me.
Oceanne brings up a great point and I agree. But i also believe that vampirism is most commonly defined as those who consume blood. I guess it's because it's scarier and people like to get something out of it for Halloween. *shrugs* who knows?
Upir, the question isn't "what is a true vampire." The question is, and I quote:
"What do you consider a TRUE vampire is?" etc. etc.
Needless to say, your repeated statements of the same information are unnecessary. In this discussion, a simple statement of what you feel is a vampire would do. No one needs to read the same article-length post with info we've read every other time you've posted it.
La6Muerte66 CLAPS Well said I agree with you hats off bows shakes your hand hugs you wow bro lol I really love the way you put that. and I do feel it was about time
Well I actually quite enjoyed reading his honest and very true post. I feel that people have taken the TRUE definition of a vampire and twisted the meaning so they cn label themselves as such. It simply does not work. If I moo it doesn't make me a cow does it? If I meow does that make me a cat? If I was to put myself in the ground burried from the neck down does that make me a shrub? Of course it doesn't. People that drink blood are NOT vampires!
A vampire is any being that needs to feed on energy or blood for SURVIVAL only. Doing it as a fetish doesn't make you a vampire. Unfortunately, people have taken the true meaning of the 17th centure French/Serbian term and twisted it's meaning. It's so silly. And as usual, I'm just going by the books here.
Thanks Wikipedia, www.m-w.com and Paul barber
Upir.
I don't think it's so much what you posted that has set them off, I think it's because what you posted isn't what they wanted to hear.
Upir,
Above all my friend , I enjoy reading your posts the most. You do your research and collect the historical facts . Keep up the good work!
To the above post, how can a definition belong to one person? It is what it is! There is no twisting the definition of a words true meaning. It's like saying that a person is a cat because they are "cat like." it just does not work. The main page gives an in depth definition of a vampire, and that IS what a vampire is.
Let me clarify: It's not what you posted, necessarily. It's the needless volume. Also, there is a vast difference between what you THINK a vampire is and what a vampire really is. One is an opinion. This thread is asking your OPINION on the matter. It's fine to post what you think a vampire is, and I don't have a problem with you holding that view. It's the quantity of unnecessary quotes and ramblings that could just as well have been shortened to a readable paragraph.
La6Muerte66:
And just who are you to dictate to others what is and is not "needless volume"? Who are you to condemn another's post for length and content?! Your arrogance is as appalling as it is entirely unjustified. I find it equally arrogant of you to likewise presume the role of sole authority on what this thread's original poster meant in his/her initial question here. And, btw, what I posted WAS my opinion, which was exactly what this forum topic asked of us all.
The difference with my posts is that in presenting my opinion, I try to also provide the facts and logic upon which that opinion is based so as to provide for those more intellectually inclined the source material that they, too, can look up if so desired. And believe it or not, such is occasionally appreciated by others despite the objections of yourself, Ryu, and others like you for whom such intellectual and scholarly curiosity lies, shall we say, -- more dormant.
- Upir'
Upir, rather than posting the information in article form, why not just post a link to the source of your information? If your goal is to give the reader a resource from which to learn further, then why not show them your sources and allow them to read it for themselves, rather than taking up the equivalent of two pages of information giving the same information that could just as easily been read from said source? For example: Had I decided to contribute to Ryu's post on the vampyric community by giving information from a source I find reliable, why would I post the text of the article rather than just putting up a link?
Dude, it's just easier on everyone else. And yes, I am arrogant, and I don't know what gives you the impression that I've identified myself as sole authority on the meaning of the thread topic. English is pretty easy to interpret.
But I've now taken this way off topic, so I'm done arguing. leave it alone and so will I.
So long as we are on topic it doesn't matter how we write it. Just because we would rather post the sources of our information as a hole rather than posting a link is completely irrevelant.
True vampirism - True vampirism simply does not exist. For vampirism to be performed, one needs to be a "true" vampire as well. But these little kids running around their high schools in black clothing acting all emo saying they are "vampires" is just funny to me. LOL!
In my opinion, no matter who distinquishes the context of what a "true" vampire is, many within the world would say "true" vampires do not exist simply because their minds are reminding them of the fictional fantastical vampire of lore.
Now, when in the society that either leads the lifestyle, believes themselves to be, or are in all aspects drainers of any particular value whether it is physical, spiritual, or financial, would consider themselves to be "true" vampires.
Needless to say, all of you are correct in the assumption of what a "true" vampire is. It is merely in the context of what side of the coin you are thinking about.
In my view, a "true" vampire is an individual who not only "sucks" anything out of another entity, living or material...Aging a bit slower than another since this sort of "sucking" would include the energies of the spiritual if you will...Thus maintaining that healthy status and or beauty they have within their features, thus the vanity aspect of the "vampiric" metaphor.
My point being, no matter which way you discuss this type of scenerio, the input as well as the output would be two sides of the same coin, with all parties involved being right on the money.
I think this thread involves others opinions regarding the same context. Since all opinions are original as well as differant. No two would be exactly alike in any way shape or form.
So metaphor is a factor in some peoples claim to be vampires? I had a suspicion of such. Metaphor abuse is rampant on this site.
I dont feel this is as much as an abuse of metaphor Dab as it is simply a concept.If one takes something vital from another,or as my case,our planet,then it is Vampiric in nature.
And I think peeps are rather bored with the old hollywood idea of Vampire anyway.
*applauds* oceanne posts. vampires taken from mother earth a concept not to refuse, many of society is vampiric in nature for they feed of someone or something else, taken on a vampiric persona. business, people, animals you name it all living off one an other..
Well Id say its a pretty good one then and not an abuse at all ,considering the nature of Vampires.
Besides,metaphors are designed to be used and abused.
a metaphor would be like
Symbiosis is a close ecological relationship between the individuals of two (or more) different species. Sometimes a symbiotic relationship benefits both species, sometimes one species benefits at the other's expense, and in other cases neither species benefits.
http://www.cals.ncsu.edu/course/ent591k/symbiosis.html
which in many terms would in fact relate to vampiric natures of society. for we feed off others to live and survive. so the metaphor in a scientific way would be this........
When I started a thread with this very idea I got the question.. "a metaphor for what?" Usually any claim of naivity is an affirmation of the presented question.
yes , but this posting is what is true vamperism and if we take your metahphor on vampiric society than we are such a vampiric society. not the beliefs of hollywoods fables but our own dictation of vampiric in nature. we live offf of animals, mother earth and feelings of others. vampiric in nature, not hollywoods blood sucking fables of creatures and monsters, but actual flesh and blood.
We all take from the earth, andif we don't we die. Thus, you are saying every living thing including plantlife is a vampire.
Id say that pretty much sums it up Dark.;)
We just all go about it in a slightly different way.
definitions are relevant to those using it.
definition changes with time.
for example shamanism, was first used to identify Siberian spiritualism. the definition is now used to define a whole array of similar spiritualities on every continent. so ya "vampire" might be some Slavic word, but as definitions evolves (which is the nature of language) the word can be applied else where.
some english majors might get their feathers flustered from these statement, but it is a fact.
for example the word "cool" doesnt just refer to temperatures any more. this is the nature of language. language changes a lot.
now for my personal opinion, a highly organized vampyre sub-culture does exist... obviously. addiction to blood does exist, with cravings(might be all in our heads but ya it does) and blood rituals have existed through out time.... mayans, cave men(would drink bone marrow, where blood comes from, to gain a certain spiritual achievement.), to hawaii where warriors would compete for manna.
me personally, if you want to label me as a blood addict, who participates in a certain spirituality then thats fine with me.. but vampyre is just so much easier... and well its cool :)
articles of interest:
sanguinarius.org
TOTV
Iam.
LOL! I am going to major in English. And well, you just said it. "it's cool." Saying one has a fetish for blood rather than saying I am a "vampire/vampyre" is uncool?
True dark, but he is up front with his definition, and he presents in entirty..
That is a notable difference from the.. "I am a vampire.. Bow to my claim" types.
Good lord Dabbler I think you just said a mouthful. No no i didn't mean to offend him Iam is a good friend on here he's totally cool.
And yes, you are right that is much better! Claps for Iam
A vampire, from what I understand, is someone who has chosen a certain path with which to unlock true meaning. I claim no path, no abnormalities *at least none that are near "Vampiric" standards, but I have spoken with some who do. I have researched and delved a little in the topic to more fully understand. I think being a vampire is a way to explain you. Its a way to fing your meaning, and place, just as you call yourself a lawyer or a christain. Being a vampire is a way of getting answers for questions long let unanswered.
But I am by no means an expert on the topic, this is just my basic observations.
I want to mention that I am just as oppossed to cyncism, as I am to sensationalism.
"vampire is a way to explain you." i like that...
i look at it in a Jungarian sense, using an archetypes...
dark, vampyre is just easier said, there' a certain spiritual side to it also, but i think spirituality should be a private thing, and wouldnt matter much for this discussion. my fascination with blood goes beyond the bed room. call it what you want.
but glad we could find some common ground.
Does the Arc type serve an added "benifit" of repulsing certain nosy posers?
In response to ~Dabblers~ presumption of "the vampire as a metaphor", I would like to add a little tidbit from an interview with Kathrine Ramsland:
"The vampire image is sexy because it's a trespass," said Katherine Ramsland, a forensic psychologist and author of "Science of Vampires."
"It's not just kissing, it's biting ... the vampire has the ability to make you want it, even though you're frightened of it."
Cultures all over the world, she said, in some way or another, recognize the life force-sucking character. The "vampire metaphor" most common in the United States is derived from the Romanian Dracula, she said. But in other cultures, vampires are only female or only go after children. Others emerge only after a suicide, rather than after a vampire's bite.
Despite the different ways the metaphor is manifested, certain elements undergird it, regardless of where it appears, she said.
"Whatever comes and depletes you is a vampiric image," Ramsland said. "It's not always blood. It's a human metaphor, a representation of a human dread that's both frightening and exciting."
Attracted to this powerful and sexy image, she said, legions of people around the world have formed subcultures that reflect various parts of the vampire identity.
But there is a continuum of responses to the vampire metaphor that draws in members of this subculture, she said.
For some, it's merely an outlet for creativity and having fun. For others, it seeds a belief that they need the blood or energy of another person or animal to subsist. Unfortunately, in very rare cases, she said, it gives structure to paranoia and delusion.
Regardless of how it's manifested, however, it's a very powerful metaphor, she said.
"People can participate in whatever way they want to," Ramsland said. "Some of us are more the blood drinkers or the victim or the hunter. All of us participate in the metaphor in some manner. ... It allows for so much elasticity."
Article by Ki Mae Heussner of ABC.com on Oct. 31st
Fantastic... She has a way with words.. Goes back to read it again.
It's been awhile since I read the home page so I went to look and see what it say's for definition of a vampire. All the definition's refer to a vampire as a dead, blood drinking creature. And if I'm not mistaken that's what most of us have been raised to believe. A vampire may be able to draw energy from other creature's, altho I couldnt say for sure, but all definition's support the need for blood to survive. And that definition seems to stand for most culture's as well.
daygona,
Congrats on wishing a better definition of vampires than that acquired through reading an abc.com article quoting a psychologist on her observations of her disturbed patients who emulate the "vampires" of fiction, only.
As a psychologist who treats psychological issues, including those of her patients who emulate "vampires" as defined by authors of fiction Ms. Ramsland is only a "vampire" expert on how such patients define and behave as fictional "vampires" and not an expert on actual vampires themselves, their lore or the actual historical accounts from which such is based. Thus, while the "vampire metaphor" can be commented on at length, yet as the actual archetypal Slavic vampire did not actually drink blood, have fangs, nor otherwise parasitically "feed" on Humankind, this claimed "vampire" metaphor lacks both historical and factual teeth (there... how's that for a metaphor?).
- Upir'
Upir if I may why are those who say we are Vampyric disturbed? Are those who have faith in something they can not see just as disturbed? Tell me is it Just us?
That was well said for many religous based factors come into play with this. I am christian and yet these seem to ponder on old text of religion and vampires. is it just society that claims what is real and what is hollywood based to be actual accounts of culture being disturbed.
Ryu,
Why is it you must so often try to pick a fight where no offense was either given or intended?
I never used the term "disturbed", did I? That was your word, not mine.
What I said was that Dr. Ramsland is a psychologist who, by very profession and definition deals with the "psychological issues" of those emulating the fictional vamipires of novels and movies. And yes... I think any mental-health professional would consider patients who seriously identify with and attempt to emulate fictional characters as having "psychological issues."
- Upir'
Ryu,
As for your question re: should those who believe in what they cannot see be considered "disturbed" (having "psychological issues") ... I would say that depends on what that belief is and what diagnosis a true health professional might render.
If someone believes in a Creator or Creative Power greater than themselves based on their own observations of Life and the world/universe around them as well as their own spiritual feelings and experiences, then I would say such are fairly common to all of us in this life and proceeds not from any psychological or pathological "issue" or conditiion. Though if someone actually believes themselves to BE that Creator (God, Allah, Jesus, Buddha, etc.), red flags and sirens ought to go off promptly for any psychologist!
On the other hand, if someone believes instead in the actual existence of characters found in fictional novels and movies... such as wookies, tribbles, ewoks, Freddy Krueger, Captain Kirk, Count Dracula, LeStat, etc. ... the greater likelihood is that something's... amiss!
But finally, if someone actually believes themselves to BE a wookie or Captain Kirk... again, though I'm no professional, seems to me that it'd be red-flag-and-sirens time, again!
And so also would I conclude for anyone claiming to actually BE a fictional blood-drinking, energy-sucking "vampire." Tell us, Ryu... do you consider yourself to actually BE such a fictional "vampire"?
- Upir'
fictional? No I am a H.L.V a Human Living Vampyre. and yes my friend you did use the word. I copied and pasted it from your post due to my lack of good spelling.
I am not trying to start a fight I just wanted to see why we who say we are Vampyric are called nuts, and why others who believe in things that can not be proven as you say those who are Vampyric can not prove are not looked at as mental?
daygona,
Congrats on wishing a better definition of vampires than that acquired through reading an abc.com article quoting a psychologist on her observations of her (here is were you stated the word )>>>> disturbed patients who emulate the "vampires" of fiction, only.
Ryu,
You know what? You are right! I did use the word "disturbed" once in that post. My mistake! I apologize to you for that.
As for your admission that you do believe yourself to be a vampire as described only in fiction (though you choose to use the self-created term "H.L.V.), you do indeed make my case for me that you believe yourself to actually be a solely fictional being as amalgamatedly created by the likes of Bram Stoker, Anne Rice, Stephanie Meyer, etc.
Just because someone else might believe themself to be a H.L.W. (Human Living Wookie) doesn't change the fact that this is still a purely fictional creation of George Lucas. And thus, in believing themself to be such, I would say this most certainly qualifies as a "psychological issue" or even... disturbance.
- Upir'
I never said I am that of a movie or a navel I don't claim to live forever, sleep in a casket or say I can fly change to mist or any of the Holloywood BS. that is what you think of first when one says they are Vampyric when in fact most if not all of us never claim to be any thing like that.
Ryu -
Fair enough... though this does bring up the requisite follow-up question, which drives to the very heart of this topic:
How can H.L.V.s (using your term) simply pick and choose which fictional traits they best emulate and still consider themselves to actually be ... vampires, as fully defined in fiction?
In other words... using my "wookie" example... were I to simply grow my beard out to "wookie" proportions, could I still claim to be an H.L.W. (Human Living Wookie) without seriously calling into question my own... psychological condition?
Or as someone else pointed out earlier... could I for simply being able to intone the sound "Moo" also legitimately call myself a H.L.C. (Human Living Cow)?
And if the answer to all of these is yes ('cuz, rationally, it must be either "yes" to them all or "no" to them all), how do you possibly reconcile such a pick-and-choose-your-vampiric-trait-of-choice-and-ignore-all-others view of what constitutes a "true vampire"?
- Upir'
Logical point yet in todays society we see traits from religion to sub cultures on aspects of these and not just from a vampiric trait. yet if we go to church we are religion based, or wear suits we are business men.
yet traits fictional or not in society we must be reasured for the balance of our own minds. role players dreamers or whatever there is always an escape to the degree. men are well intuned for the sexual fantasies are well document and told. for men fantasize in all aspects to relive the pressure or dreams of the world and mind.
but in fact vampires are vfictional yet no clues except in text of days old and hollywoods theatric plays of them. yet we could in fact incumise religion, all types and theories of science within this realm, for they are text and yet not proven. belief and understanding. morals of all living beings. what ever the belief is. And if someone says vampire or witch or werewolf than society deems to shun these values and morals of those/
Once like rock n roll not societies value and many shunned and beaten over it.
in my view my friend the wonder of life is it's many many views of others what they think and see from their mind. one may say with out such things life would be blan.
all is in the eye of the beholder my friend.
Ryu -
Then, my friend, in your view it would seem that "true vampirisim" is simply all "in the eye of the beholder," regardless the definitions thereof found in either Slavic history or dime-novel and Hollywood fiction.
In which case, the very term "vampire" itself ceases to have any valid meaning given that it thus ceases to have an actual definition at all. Thus, the term "vampire" ceases to be a valid word.
Is this really the logical dead-end road we wish to end up on in our quest to understand "true vampirism," the topic of this forum thread? Do we all really wish future dictionaries to list the term "Vampire" thusly:
vam·pire (vam′pīr′) - noun
While previously having definitions in both fiction and Slavic lore, yet as today this term no longer has any specific set of definitions but was determined to be "...only in the eye of the beholder", it has become obsolete as a valid word and is no longer in use in the English Language.
While you might choose to interpret and define "vampire" by such "eye-of-the-beholder" relativism, yet such is not going to satisfy any except those who, like you, must find a way... any way... to re-invent and redefine the actual facts and meaning of the term "vampire" so as to attempt justifying their pinning of that label on themselves.
- Upir'
True vampirism is probably the individuals persona of it and to each the answer is correct, views are taken on all walks of life and should be given to those with an answer not just to belong to a group per say. their beliefs and functional life is what makes them individuals to society and not computer or clones of culture.
cadrewolf -
I would love to respond... yet, for the life of me, I cannot understand what point(s) you make. Better minds than mine will have to attempt a deciphering of both the terms, grammar, and context being attempted.
- Upir'
cadrewolf -
My previous post to you was my response to the longer post you made above my latest reply to Ryu. Your last reply appears to be a rewriting of Ryu's own point, so my response to him equally applies to your last, as well.
- Upir'
For if we look for definitions in books we all see the text allowed through centuries. vampires is wel defined in many aspects of hollywood and text as bloos suckers or monters, yet in todays culture vampirism whether as a sub culture is based on the traits of the individuals who claim such things. Whether energy or blood based.
yet in text alot of things have been claimed and yet proven without reason a lie or mis guided words of humans. On all walks of life.
if we look at true vampirism it is a force feeding of another to substain life, yet much like us as humans and the world energy food and animals we consume. But that is ok, when we use the word Vampire now than things change for this is societies no no words. Like a witch or ghost or satan.
So now society deems that this is unjust even if the person believes in text or theory oor may say they want to be just this. How can we determine such a answer when the answer is so broad and we take the answer for what we know. for every person has a thought to vampirism.
so than vampirism is defined by all and the meaning it holds to them. not text or written language. but belief and action .
cadrewolf -
As I think I understand you, you argue as have Ryu and others that vampirism is basically defined only as feeding off someone else, either via blood or energy. Again... as this is only a very limited definition of the fictional vampire and has nothing at all in common with the historical accounts or the facts thereof, is "true vampirism" to be defined by such a selective reinvention and a watering-down of the fictional vampire as Stoker, Rice, Meyer, etc., created in their novels?
Please do not misunderstand my point here. I am not at all questioning anyone's right to believe what they will... even what they will about themselves. If you wish to believe such to be "true vampirism," then you are, of course, free as always to believe whatever you will. And so far as this thread seeks others' opinions, then you are just as justified in that opinion as is anyone else.
However, as we have also been discussing Dr. Ramsland's article on Vampirism and the psychological aspects thereof, the question of what psychologically drives those who believe themselves to be vampires, despite the actual definitions of the term in either fact or fiction, seems highly relevant to this continuing discussion. And it would seem to me (my opinion) that to pick and choose what a vampire is just so you can then call yourself a vampire (or H.L.V., if Ryu prefers), is to not be either intellectually honest or perhaps even psychologically stable.
Again, I am not attempting to question the right of others to believe what they will... even about themselves. However, I most certainly do feel it a very valid extension of this thread to ask why those who choose to view themselves as "vampires" would so blatantly re-invent the definitions thereof so as to justify their own identification as such... and to ask again of those here, should such self-serving re-inventions of the term be seriously considered today as "true vampirism"?
(Hmmm... maybe I should also rephrase this last post and submit it as a new forum question.)
- Upir'
I am not here to argue points or have trivial thoughts
You bring valid points to arguements, i do listen and rationalise the thoughts. i think the definiton to vampires is vague and out dated in text. To rationalise the mind to think or claim vampiric is another situation, it does not mean the mind has gone mad, but an escape from something in this world. whether beliefs in hollywood and realism in the books. It si a chapter in individuals looks at it. Wicca or witch craft or satanism, we could ponder on that for its ones beliefs and actions they would like in life.
But confronted now with vampires we think the mind is warped or frayed to believe in such nosense. yet before dinasuors where found this was not with religous part and deemed not in society.
I love the mystery and the writtings of vampires, even hollywoods take on it in some aspects do i see myself as vampiric. Huh maybe like to be, Even feel energiezed of emtions of others. does this deem me vampiric.
I just rationalize the ideas of others and make thought and statement that this is a broad subject for there are many answers to this on beliefs. not what is written in old text and dictionaries.
cadrewolf thank you for you have put my thoughts into words
cadrewolf and Ryu -
While willing to at least acknowledge the logical issues raised in my posts, yet both of you pointedly choose to keep leaving them untouched and unanswered. ;)
And while you both enjoy portraying yourselves as persecuted people for labeling yourselves actual "vampires" (apologies, Ryu... H.L.V.s, if you prefer), yet your avoidance of those very logical issues that calls into serious question your emulation of and identification with the purely fictional "vampire" (again, the true "vampires" of history neither sucked blood nor drained energy) is precisely the reason why people like me cannot but question your psychological stability.
Don't worry; there's no bias or bigotry in this at all given that it would be reasonable for anyone to equally question someone else's mental state if that someone honestly believed, as do you, that emulating only a single trait of something is sufficient to have you label yourself as such.
For example: if I were to call myself Mr. Spock (yeah... I'm dating myself now) just because I can wear fake pointed-ears, pretend to neck-pinch and mind-meld with people (wow... that's THREE Vulcan traits instead of one!), I shouldn't be surprised that others might just question my mental state, as well. And to simply whine about the fact that few choose to accept me as an actual H.L.V. (Human Living Vulcan) doesn't negate the basic logical issues at stake that fully justify their incredulity.
Thus, so also mine towards you both.
- Upir'
Ok spock you hit it on the head and not play this any longer trekys would really argue your point, but if we look at text on vampires as stated than no such thing could or should exist,
now taken text of religions and other accounts in history of written language than beliefs and human writtings does not dictate actuallity, such than all will fail to be. religion, loch ness, star trek, the moon landing king arthur and the elevolution.
we strive to believe in things and for them only to be put on paper as accounts only give us hope in such things for belief and our way of life. so taken that how could we say only written language is true vampire when all text was handed down by humans.
i understand your reasoning and I could copy and paste as well as anyone, yet asked on vampire what is true than lets go with beliefs and reasoning instead of text and dictionary meaning.
So asking todys culture what is true vampire than its a belief in the lore(text) the beliefs in fundamentals of life(living energy or blood) and beleif in the way ofvampire society(like here friends and info to gain knowledge of)
A religion so to say..... nothing more everyones belief in this is different and how they pertray it in evryday life is how they see fit on it. Not out stalking the strrets for food and sleeping in old castles...
again well said my brother,
Upir' for you I hope you understand what I am trying to say.
cadrewolf and Ryu -
While willing to at least acknowledge the logical issues raised in my posts, yet both of you pointedly choose to keep leaving them untouched and unanswered. ;)
And while you both enjoy portraying yourselves as persecuted people for labeling yourselves actual "vampires" (apologies, Ryu... H.L.V.s, if you prefer), yet your avoidance of those very logical issues that calls into serious question your emulation of and identification with the purely fictional "vampire" (again, the true "vampires" of history neither sucked blood nor drained energy) is precisely the reason why people like me cannot but question your psychological stability.
Don't worry; there's no bias or bigotry in this at all given that it would be reasonable for anyone to equally question someone else's mental state if that someone honestly believed, as do you, that emulating only a single trait of something is sufficient to have you label yourself as such.
For example: if I were to call myself Mr. Spock (yeah... I'm dating myself now) just because I can wear fake pointed-ears, pretend to neck-pinch and mind-meld with people (wow... that's THREE Vulcan traits instead of one!), I shouldn't be surprised that others might just question my mental state, as well. And to simply whine about the fact that few choose to accept me as an actual H.L.V. (Human Living Vulcan) doesn't negate the basic logical issues at stake that fully justify their incredulity.
Thus, so also mine towards you both.
OK because you like to copy and paste so shall I maybe this way I can help you understand. these are just a few on what is real about Vampyres / vampires.
No one person has all the answer sorry. even the site it self says ( This document is not intended to be a comprehensive
document of vampire fiction, mythology, or lore.) so who is to say what is what and what is not?
Definition of the Vampire
(Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, 1913 Edition)
Vampire (Page: 1593)
Vam"pire (?), n. [F. vampire (cf. It. vampiro, G. & D. vampir), fr. Servian vampir.] [Written also vampyre.]
The Vampire 1. A blood-sucking ghost; a soul of a dead person superstitiously believed to come from the grave and wander about by night sucking the blood of persons asleep, thus causing their death. This superstition is now prevalent in parts of Eastern Europe, and was especially current in Hungary about the year 1730.
2. Fig.: One who lives by preying on others; an extortioner; a bloodsucker.
3. (Zoöl.) Either one of two or more species of South American blood-sucking bats belonging to the genera Desmodus and Diphylla. These bats are destitute of molar teeth, but have strong, sharp cutting incisors with which they make punctured wounds from which they suck the blood of horses, cattle, and other animals, as well as man, chiefly during sleep. They have a caecal appendage to the stomach, in which the blood with which they gorge themselves is stored.
4. (Zoöl.) Any one of several species of harmless tropical American bats of the genus Vampyrus, especially V. spectrum. These bats feed upon insects and fruit, but were formerly erroneously supposed to suck the blood of man and animals. Called also false vampire. Vampire bat (Zoöl.), a vampire, Vampyrus spectrum
The persons who turn vampires are generally wizards, witches, suicides, and persons who have come to a violent end, or have been cursed by their parents or by the church. (Encyclopedia Britannica)
The Vampire
History of the Vampire Myth
The legend of the vampire can be traced to approximately 125 AD, where a Upir, a creature with vampire qualities, occurred in Greek mythology. The word Upir is found for the first time in written form in 1047 in a letter to the Russian Prince Vladimir Yaroslavovich. The author of the letter, a priest, writes his name as Upir' Likhyi, which roughly translates into "Wicked Vampire" or "Foul Vampire". Upir later became vampire, and some of the early legends came from the far east. Much has been lost throughout history...
The Oxford English Dictionary dates the first appearance of the word vampire in English to 1734. It was written in a travelogue titled Travels of Three English Gentlemen and was published in the Harleian Miscellany in 1745. Vampires had already been discussed in German literature. After Austria gained control of northern Serbia and Oltenia in 1718, officials noted the local practice of exhuming bodies and "killing vampires" (Vampires, Burial and Death by Paul Barber). These reports, prepared between 1725 and 1732, received widespread publicity. Vampires are similar to man in respect that no two are alike. No two men have the same physical abilities, or the same senses of hearing or sight. This is true of vampires as well. As there are several races of man, there are also many races of vampire.
Each race of vampire share similar, although not identical, abilities. Each race of vampire has different origins, unlike man. An example of one race is the Kindred, as portrayed by White Wolf. The Kindred are then further subdivided into "clans." Other examples include the Carpathian race, of which Count Dracula, or Vlad Tsepesh (or Tepes), was descended from.
Description and Appearance
It is difficult to make a single, definitive description of the folklore vampire. There are several elements common to the many European legends. Vampires are usually reported as bloated in appearance, ruddy, purplish, or dark in color. These characteristics were often attributed to the recent drinking of blood. Blood was often seen seeping from the mouth and nose when one was seen in its shroud or coffin and its left eye was often open. A vampire was often clad in the linen shroud it was buried in. Its teeth, hair, and nails may have grown somewhat, though in general, fangs were not a feature.
Other attributes varied greatly from culture to culture. Some vampires, such as those found in the Transylvanian tales, were gaunt, pale, and had long fingernails. Vampires from Bulgaria only had one nostril. Bavarian vampires slept with thumbs crossed and one eye open. Moravian vampires only attacked while naked. Albanian vampires wore high-heeled shoes.
As stories of vampires spread throughout the globe to the Americas and elsewhere, so did the varied and sometimes bizarre descriptions of them. Mexican vampires had a bare skull instead of a head. Brazilian vampires had furry feet. Vampires from the Rocky Mountains only sucked blood with their noses and from the victim's ears. Common attributes were sometimes described, such as red hair. Some were reported to be able to transform into bats, rats, dogs, wolves, spiders and even moths.
The Vampire in Literature
Numerous vampire stories were written prior to the popularization of the vampire myth in pop culture.
The Vampyre; a Tale by John Polidori (1819)
A short story that exploited the gothic horror predilections of the public of the period. It was originally mis-published under the authorship of Lord Byron (Polidori was Lord Byron's personal physician). The tale accounts the exploits of Lord Ruthven, a British nobleman and vampire. Lord Ruthven bore more than a passing resemblance to Lord Byron and became a highly influential model for the Byronic vampires of literature.
Varney The Vampire by James Malcolm Rymer (1845-47)
A Victorian-era gothic horror story which first appeared in a series of pamphlets between 1845 and 1847. Inexpensive and gruesome, the collective work was published in book form in 1847. The tale runs 868 pages and is divided into 220 chapters. The story revolves around the persecution of the Bannerworth family by Sir Francis Varney, a vampire who in the early chapters enters the bedroom of the daughter of the house (Flora) and sucks her blood.
Carmilla by J. Sheridan Le Fanu (1872)
A compelling gothic novel of a lesbian vampire, set in darkest central Europe. It tells the story of a young woman's susceptibility to the attentions of a female vampire named Carmilla. The story was to greatly influence Bram Stoker in the writing of Dracula. It also served as the basis for several films, including Hammer's The Vampire Lovers (1970), Roger Vadim's Blood and Roses (1960), and Danish director Carl Theodor Dreyer's Vampyr (1932).
Dracula by Bram Stoker (1897)
The most well known vampire story, the novel is mainly composed of journal entries, letters, and newspaper clippings. It has been suggested that the story was based on Vlad Tepes, a medieval figure of extraordinary bloodthirst. History records that Vlad Tepes impaled his enemies and cut off their heads. He ruled Walachia as Vlad III during the 15th century (modern day Romania) and signed his letters as Vlad Dracula. Dracula translates into "son of the devil".
This document is not intended to be a comprehensive
document of vampire fiction, mythology, or lore.
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The Vampire, by Philip Burne-Jones, 1897
Vampires are mythological or folkloric revenants who subsist by feeding on the blood of the living. In folkloric tales, the undead vampires often visited loved ones and caused mischief or deaths in the neighbourhoods they inhabited when they were alive. They wore shrouds and were often described as bloated and of ruddy or dark countenance, markedly different from today's gaunt, pale vampire which dates from the early Nineteenth Century. Although vampiric entities have been recorded in most cultures, the term vampire was not popularised until the early 18th century, after an influx of vampire superstition into Western Europe from areas where vampire legends were frequent, such as the Balkans and Eastern Europe,[1] although local variants were also known by different names, such as vrykolakas in Greece and strigoi in Romania. This increased level of vampire superstition in Europe led to what can only be called mass hysteria and in some cases resulted in corpses actually being staked and people being accused of vampirism.
In modern times, however, the vampire is generally held to be a fictitious entity, although belief in similar vampiric creatures such as the chupacabra still persists in some cultures. Early folkloric belief in vampires has been ascribed to the ignorance of the body's process of decomposition after death and how people in pre-industrial societies tried to rationalise this, creating the figure of the vampire to explain the mysteries of death. Porphyria was also linked with legends of vampirism in 1985 and received much media exposure, but has since been largely discredited.
The charismatic and sophisticated vampire of modern fiction was born in 1819 with the publication of The Vampyre by John Polidori; the story was highly successful and arguably the most influential vampire work of the early 19th century.[2] However, it is Bram Stoker's 1897 novel Dracula which is remembered as the quintessential vampire novel and provided the basis of the modern vampire legend. The success of this book spawned a distinctive vampire genre, still popular in the 21st century, with books, films, and television shows. The vampire has since become a dominant figure in the horror genre
Real Vampires
by Inanna Arthen
"Real Vampires"-how can this be anything but a contradiction in terms? We all know about vampires. Stock characters of fiction, guaranteed box-office draws, the media vampire has been familiar to us since childhood. Generally speaking, our blood-suckers appear with a tongue planted firmly in one toothy cheek-from Bela Lugosi hamming it up in the 1950's, to last summer's teenage "vamp" movies, to Count Chocula breakfast cereal, the media seldom treat the vampire as truly fearsome. The stereotyped vampire traits are familiar to any child: vampires have big fangs, sleep in coffins, are instantly incinerated by sunlight, and are best dispatched by a stake through the heart. But the most important "fact" that we all know of course is that there are no such things.
Of course, in terms of the mythical, literary and cinematic conventions, we are correct: there are no "legions of the undead" stalking the unwary. We have explained the folklore with politics, misunderstood diseases, and hysteria, the literary and cinematic images with psychology, history, and sociology. We of the 20th century are confident that vampires could not really exist. But then, most of us are never forced to think otherwise. For a number of people, the concept of vampires becomes a critical and often lifelong concern. To live with, love, or befriend a real vampire is to encounter a set of problems which may demand expanding the boundaries of one's accepted reality. To come to terms with being a real vampire oneself is to face a lifetime's karmic challenge.
Some people reading this article already know this. The rest are probably thinking, "Real Vampires, give me a break! Sure, there are some pretty weird people out there, but all they need is a good therapist." Yes, there are people who take on all the trappings of a gothic novel: dressing in black, claiming or pretending to be "vampires" in the supernatural sense, wearing capes, sleeping in boxes, even getting their teeth capped. There are more frightening people who seek to torture or kill animals or human beings in order to gain power, emotional release or sexual thrill, and who sometimes call themselves (or are called) "vampires". But most of these individuals are troubled people who have been attracted by the cultural myths about the vampire: supernatural powers (because they feel powerless), overwhelming sexuality (because most of them have sexual issues and no true relationships), immortality (because they fear aging and death). Individuals like these are the most recent "explanation" for humanity's persistent belief in vampires. But beyond and behind all the folklore, the psychological theories, the role playing, even the traditional spiritual assumptions, lies the real truth about vampires.
The field of vampirology is complex and mysterious. There are many aspects to the vampire phenomenon, and they would require several books to fully explore. One aspect of vampirism which frequently troubles magickal, spiritual and other small groups, the most common form of vampire, is found among living people who share with us the benefits and disadvantages of physical existence on this plane, yet are not quite human. These people appear on the surface to be somewhat eccentric members of society, yet their outward idiosyncrasies only hint at how different they are from those around them.
Each of us incarnates for a lifetime with a certain way of relating to the physical world through the vehicle of our physical body. A vampire is a person born with an extraordinary capacity to absorb, channel, transform, and manipulate "pranic energy" or life force. She also has a critical energy imbalance which reels wildly from deficit to overload and back again. This capacity for handling energy is a gift, but the constant imbalance of her own system is the cause of the negative behavior patterns and characteristics which may be notable about a vampiric person.
Real vampires do not necessarily drink blood-in fact, most of them do not. Blood-drinking and vampirism have been confused to the extent that for the average person, a vampire is defined as something that drinks blood (such as a "vampire bat"). But when we look beyond casual assumptions to the details of common beliefs, we find something quite different. Throughout both folklore and literature, there is an understanding that vampires require energy or life force. Many old folktales accept that vampires suck blood, yet never describe this actually happening. The victims slowly decline and waste away, and the survivors assume that some evil fiend is draining them of blood. They know that the Bible says, "the blood is the life", and anyone who was losing their life force must be losing blood. Yet, in many instances the vampire's "attack" does not even involve physical contact. In others, it is clearly sexual energy which is exchanged.1
Fresh blood is the highest known source of pranic energy (life force).2 Human beings have practiced blood-drinking for many reasons throughout history, but drinking blood alone does not indicate that a person is a vampire. Only real vampires can directly absorb the pranic energy in fresh blood, and for this reason some real vampires are attracted to blood and find different means of obtaining it.3 However, it is a rare vampire who cannot absorb energy in much more subtle ways. This is the mechanism that causes real vampires to inflict harm on others and themselves if they fail to recognize what is happening and do conscious work on transforming their inner natures. Vampires are no more likely to be either malicious or spiritually aware than the general population, but without awareness, they can spend their lives making themselves and others unhappy, and will continue to incarnate in this pattern until they take action to change it.
There are a number of external symptoms of vampirism, but it is important to realize that some of them are found in ordinary human behavior. Real vampires are identifiable partly because they have a majority of the symptoms, not just one or two. But more significantly, real vampires are distinguished by a certain quality to the energy. While anyone reading a description of the symptoms and behavior patterns might find a few that apply to people he knows, or even to himself, real vampires have a way of standing out vividly to everyone who interacts with them. There are few people who do not know at least one vampire.
Physically, vampires are usually "night people"" on a biochemical level. They have inverted circadian rhythms, with body cycles such as temperature peaks, menstrual onset, and the production of sleep hormones in the brain occurring at the opposite time of day from most people. They have difficulty adjusting to daytime schedules and frequently work nights. They tend to be photosensitive, avoiding sunlight, sunburning easily, and having excellent night vision. Their vitality ranges widely, and they can be vigorous and active one day, depressed and languorous the next.
They frequently have digestive trouble. Even those with cast-iron stomachs have many issues with food that are rooted in their constant hunger for energy. Contrary to the image of the vampire as thin, many real vampires are troubled by obesity because of a hunger that makes them food addicts, and a system that is sluggish in processing physical food. They are also sometimes troubled by other substance addictions for the same reasons, but since their systems are tuned to pranic energy more than to processing physical substance, they may not be as sensitive to drugs and alcohol as an ordinary person would be.
Emotionally and physically, vampires are unpredictable, moody, temperamental and overwhelming. The major distinguishing characteristic of real vampires as opposed to ordinary people who share those qualities is the vampire's intensity. Vampires are extremely intense people. They are frequently given nicknames such as "the black hole." When others talk about them (usually to complain about them), vampires are often described by such terms as "needy," "attention-seeking," "grandstanding," "manipulative," "exhausting," "draining," "monopolizes the conversation," "jealous," "huge ego," and so on. A vampire's emotions are deep, fervent, and powerful, and she usually displays great psychic ability and has uncontrolled magickal and psychic experiences. Vampires are also empaths, and while they remain unconscious of their natures, they are frequently "psychic sponges" who simply absorb vibrations from everywhere, with the expected emotional instability resulting.
A "hungry" vampire -- one whose energy level is imbalanced to the deficit side -- becomes an involuntary psychic vortex, drawing all pranic energy in the area towards her. When the energy does not flow in fast enough -- and it is typical of vampires that the energy never flows fast enough for them -- she will begin manifesting behavior patterns to increase the amount of conscious attention she gets from others. For this reason, some vampires develop a pattern of being aggressively confrontational, or of constantly antagonizing people with whom they have relationships. Nearly all vampires, whatever ploys they use, have a talent for attracting (or distracting) the attention of everyone present.
Once a vampire overloads on energy, she reverses her behavior patterns. She may become morose, silent, withdrawn and introverted. Some vampires become maniacally cheerful when they are satiated, but even their good moods seem to annoy others, and it is more typical for vampires to be infamous as wet blankets. "Hungry" and "overload" phases can occur within a few minutes or last for days at a time. Vampires are commonly loners, in part because they feel so different from those around them, but also because they have a need to control the degree of contact they have with sources of energy.
Real vampires are not the demonic fiends of Christianized folklore, but as long as they refuse to accept their inner nature, their bad reputation is not undeserved. Unconscious vampires have a tendency to reach adulthood with less than the average level of social skill and general finesse, and tend to be selfish and self-centered. The demands of their own energy systems are so distracting to them that it is difficult for them to pay attention to the needs of others. Their relationships tend to be disasters. Different vampires develop different patterns according to what works best for them in their life situation, but several patterns are common. The "femme fatale" or "lady-killer" vampire forms a continuous series of sexual connections with one partner at a time, dropping each unfortunate lover as they become too exhausted (or defensive) to support the vampire's energy needs. Other vampires form a long-term relationship with a single person: either another vampire whose energy cycle complements their own, or a person who derives satisfaction from being a psychic servant or martyr. A common pattern, especially in young adults, is to continuously join social, religious, political and magickal groups and either blow them apart or end up being thrown out. Vampires may go through roommates, housing situations, magickal groups, jobs and lovers like so much Kleenex.
Many people find that they feel "creepy" or "weird" around a vampire. This is usually due to the effects of one's own life force being drawn towards the vampire's vortex. Most people feel uncomfortable and distracted when their energy is pulled away from themselves. In addition to this, a common result of such an energy drain is for the aura to pull in tightly towards the body, and this causes a prickling sensation on the skin -- the "creepy-crawlies."
It is no more common for vampires to be psychopaths or killers than it is for any random person on the street. However, a prolonged, or very involved, relationship with a vampire can put a severe strain on the emotional and psychic energy systems of an ordinary person. Folklore suggests that victims of a vampire become vampires themselves. In reality, people who have been seriously "drained" -- that is, have had their own energy pulled off balance into a deficit -- also become psychic vortices which pull life force away from other living things. However, they are never as powerful as a true vampire, and unlike vampires, quickly recover and stabilize. True vampires are born the way they are -- no one can be "turned into a vampire." However, years of energy depletion can lead to health problems ranging from depression and malaise to a suppressed immune system and susceptibility to serious illnesses. Most people will break off the relationship before it gets that far.
Many vampires are attracted to magickal paths. In a magickal working group, their ability to wreak havoc is increased because of the psychic openness and trust that exist there. But there can be a benefit, as well. Some vampires become aware of their true natures and choose to undertake serious work to transform themselves. As soon as they begin doing so, they become more acceptable working partners and companions. Once in control of their capacity for handling energy, they become extraordinary magicians and healers. Their ability to hold the attention of others gives them the potential to be fine leaders and teachers. Ultimately, the purpose of vampires is not to plague the universe but to facilitate its healing. Vampirism is the dark, or unfocused, side of a certain kind of psychic talent, one which has been developing for many lifetimes. It is destructive only when a vampire either refuses to face the truth about herself and work with her abilities, or when she chooses to play out a sinister role because of the illusion of power it gives her.
Because of this, many of the vampire characteristics described above are far less evident in the most powerful vampires, the ones who have done considerable work on their inner selves. Many of these are poised, pleasant, competent individuals, with great personal power. They have come to terms with who and what they are, and no longer exhibit the negative qualities associated with "psychic vampirism." 4 Unfortunately, unconscious vampires are far more common than evolved ones, and it is these troubled souls who more usually appear in magickal groups.
There is no "generic advice" to give those who believe they may be dealing with a real vampire. Those who are so inclined might try to help a friend or fellow group member explore their inner nature and come to terms with their destructive behaviors. Those who feel victimized can choose to end the relationship. Each case is different, and can only be judged by the individuals concerned. But it is important for anyone involved in magickal or psychic work to understand that vampires are a real phenomenon, and that, like all perils, they should not be greeted with fear or anger. Nothing is evil by nature -- only by choice. Terror of discovery (followed by ridicule or rejection) inhibits the self-development of many real vampires. When they reach out for friendship, they are often reaching out for help.
A person who believes she may be a real vampire herself has a long and difficult process ahead of her. The most important step on her path is complete self-awareness: of her relationships, patterns, energy levels, and all other personal qualities. The most challenging work may often be summarized in the simplest of terms. Knowledge, awareness, and control are the lessons real vampires must learn in order to harness their abilities. If real vampires are not the immortals of fiction, they can at least be confident of one thing: for better or worse, they will keep the qualities they develop for many lives to come.
(The author welcomes inquiries from readers with a personal interest in the subject of vampirism. She is available at vyrdolak@net1plus.com. Readers wishing for more information about vampire lore in general are referred to the Bibliography.)
NOTES
1. For a thorough examination of traditional vampire folklore, see the works of Montague Summers and Anthony Masters.
2. Other high sources of pranic energy include semen, fresh fruits and vegetables, and the breath of living animals. Meat -- filled with chemicals, long dead, refrigerated, frozen and "aged" (partially decomposed) as it is -- contains almost none. Many real vampires, aside from drinking blood, are vegetarians.
3. For a somewhat flawed but interesting look at blood-drinking and vampirism, see Stephen Kaplan. Leonard Wolf explores this subject from a more philosophical and personal viewpoint.
4. This is not to suggest that even evolved vampires are always comfortable to be around. They remain unpredictable, intense, emotional, and altogether overwhelming personalities. Most are remarkable sexually, and all still draw energy, although they can generally control this to some extent. Furthermore, this article is not intended to mislead -- real vampires, even evolved ones, do sometimes drink blood in order to obtain their energy. Those who understand the many ways that life "gives way" to nurture more life will see this as no more unnatural than eating live vegetables or animals for food.
PARTIAL BIBLIOGRAPHY
* Stephen Kaplan,Vampires Are (ETC Publications, 1984)
* Anthony Masters, The Natural History of the Vampire (Berkley Publishing Corp., 1972)
* Raymond T. McNally and Radu Florescu, In Search of Dracula (New York Graphic Society, 1972)
* Montague Summers, The Vampire, His Kith and Kin (University Books, 1960)
* Montague Summers, The Vampire in Europe (The Aquarian Press Limited, 1980)
* James B. Twitchell, The Living Dead: A Study of the Vampire in Romantic Literature (Duke University Press, 1981)
* Leonard Wolf, A Dream of Dracula (Popular Library, 1972)
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Real Life Vampires
Forensic nurses, regardless of their practice area, will at times come in contact with the same types of deviant behavior. Some of these behaviors may be considered rare or even non-existent. It is to our benefit that we share our investigative experiences with these cases. Vampirism is one such behavior. In the modern age, vampires have become media stars. The word "vampire" became a household name in 1897 after the publication of "Dracula."1 More recently, the vampire novels by Anne Rice have become best sellers.2 Television shows such as "Buffy: The Vampire Slayer" and movies with vampire themes are increasingly popular. However the popularity of these characters can lead some people, teenagers in particular, down a dangerous road. A 17-year-old white male was found unresponsive in his bedroom by his parents. He was on his knees, on the floor, with his head resting on the bed. A call was placed to 9-1-1 and emergency medical services (EMS) transported him to a local hospital.
He was pronounced dead in the emergency room (ER). The deceased was noted to have a history of ADD and had been prescribed Prozac and Adderral. He was a very popular teenager who was active in many high school activities. He had recently lost Internet privileges and the Internet name he used was "Vampireboy." During the scene investigation a black and white composition book was found next to his bed. In this 40-page journal, which was written in long hand, the deceased described himself as a "Vampiresis." In great detail, he described how he became a Vampiresis and instructs others to do the same. A sample bottle of Zoloft was found in his bathroom. At autopsy it was noted that the canine teeth appeared to have been filed. Sixteen ounces of blood was found in the stomach and 4 ounces of mucoid bloody fluid was found in the duodenum. There were no signs of ulceration or other cause for bleeding.
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El Bandito
I've heard of a couple cases of this...I work in the medical profession and you would be surprised how many cases come into the hospital to get their stomachs pumped...just sickening......It's a fad that could end in death....In no way is it safe to drink someone else's blood...that's why we do blood transfusions through the IV folks...we don't hand someone ...someone else's blood and say drink up...geez...or have a donor sitting there waiting for someone to feed off of them...LOL...
I will say that the fad is coming to a dangerous level...where people are actually having feeding parties...how gross is that...and it's not just the kids...it's adults...who the heck thought of this...????? El Bandito
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Real Vampires
Welcome, visitor! Confused? Unsure of what all this 'real vampire' jazz is about? You're not alone. And you're NOT crazy! If you are the partner (or potential partner, or even just a friend) of a real vampire who has pointed you in the direction of this page, consider yourself blessed. Why? They value their relationship with you enough, or at least feel have you have an open mind, and they want you to understand the concept of "real vampires" and how it applies to them. There is a tendency in human nature to resist anything that challenges our preconceived perceptions of reality. In most cases, such an attitude serves us well and manifests itself as a healthy skepticism. In other instances, it may result in a close-minded refusal by otherwise intelligent people to consider compelling evidence--especially when that evidence seems to defy common sense or prevailing scientific theory. Many past revelations of science, for example, have met such resistance--a round earth, evolution, relativity, continental drift, quantum theory, an expanding universe--to name a few. By the same token, some of our experiences, no matter how strange they may seem to anyone else, leave us no room for doubt. As a result, real vampires, whether by nature or by circumstance, are often forced to live under a mantle of secrecy, and while that may sound very cloak-and-dagger, believe them when they say it's not all that fun or exciting. In many ways it's, well, scary to tell someone about their vampirism (ever been made fun of? Multiply that by 100 and add a big dose of fear and superstition and you get the idea), for fear that whoever they tell won't believe them or think they're a raving lunatic. Or even worse, be scared of them and/or never want to talk to them again. And it's often MORE difficult to tell someone we've known for a long time, or are very close to, because any rejection from them would hurt much worse than from say, some random person on an e-list. This is not necessarily to be interpreted as meaning that we don't trust the person enough - only that any rejection from them has much more impact and hits much harder. Not all of us feel the term "vampire" is appropriate, or accurate (Some of us use the term "Sanguinarian" instead) and "donor" sounds so clinical - many partnerships like that are between lovers.) But, these are terms that are commonly recognized - and newbie or newly awakened vampires or the vampire-curious will be able to find sites like this much easier as a result. Similarly, the term "feeding" is a catchall, an easy way to refer to the difference between eating normal food and, say, drinking blood. It's not meant to imply that we need vast quantities or an assumption that we harm the person that lets us feed from them. That's right, I did say "Lets us" - we don't "attack" anyone because of a need to feed. (Although we have been known to look at people funny when we're Thirsty, so many of us tend to avoid being around most people at these times, just to avoid difficult situations and/or unwanted questions.) This is not a role, a game, or a lifestyle for us. This is just The Way We Are. Yes, some of us DO play roleplaying games, but whether we do or don't play RPG's offline or online doesn't change the fact that we are *real* vampires. We don't automatically go around wearing capes, sleeping in coffins, speaking in bad romanian accents and attacking strangers. Many of us look like your next door neighbor - some of us are medical personnel, computer help desk staff, even church or office workers, among many other professions. Some of us gravitate to night shifts, others stay on day shift because that's the only shift for their job - office workers, for instance. And many of us DO follow some sort of religion, whether it's christianity, pagan or even buddhism. (And there's many faiths that I didn't mention, so don't think that's a be-all, end-all list of religions we follow.) Religion can sometimes cause internal conflicts within a real vampire - stereotypical vampires in many movies are evil, killing anyone just to feed. To be brought up with this image, then to discover that you are, or possibly are, a vampire yourself...well, this has been known to cause many to doubt whether they've been true to their faith, or to feel that the diety(s) of their faith have "punished" them somehow. Sometimes this can even cause severe depression because they can't reconcile this within themselves. Preconceptions and stereotypes can also cause internal conflicts - I've talked to many who believed that being a vampire meant they had to do certain things. Well, outside of finding some way to feed, it doesn't mean we *have* to do anything! I advocate self-understanding, because self-understanding will go a long way to learning to deal with the problems the vampire may or may not have - For instance, I sunburn easily and my eyes are excruciatingly light-sensitive. Therefore, I avoid sunshine as much as reasonably possible (never was a tanning fanatic in the first place, so it's no big personal loss) and I always wear sunglasses. Do I worry that someone will think I'm weird for doing this? Hell no! My visual comfort is far more important to ME than what anyone thinks of my appearance. My health is far more important to me than what anyone thinks of my appearance, as well. I wear long sleeves and pants all year round, regardless of temperature. (And I *love* to shop in places with air-conditioning in the summer!)
And it may have along with the hijacking of all written text of the past, Religion, vampires, loch ness and other myths. we get the point its fictional but so are many things in beliefs of humans. ufo's is a good one.
This is not written text we all know plain well what it defines as vampires but you posted asking what true vampirism is to us not copy and paste posts, we all could do that. we have tried to give answers on believes of what it is know. as we see the sub culture and society of vampires.
As you stated we plagerized old text and hollywood versions of the vampire way, and so has many customes of the world. yet the beliefs still run ramped in all parts with the myth of their land. but i still am at a loss for like posted so has many religous groups. ufo seekers and myths within our gov't agencies.
so true vampirism is the belief of those here, why did they come here, knowledge of myth and fiction, movie insight, or just them looking for others that believe the way they do and to get away from the persicution of society towards them and their beliefs.
Ryu Posted:
"I just wanted to see why we who say we are Vampyric are called nuts.,"
Who, and where is "we"?
What does "we" have to present?
Smiles wipes tears from my eyes,
Upir' nothing I say will help you understand what we are trying to say so lets just agree to disagree.
so true vampirism is the belief of those here, why did they come here, knowledge of myth and fiction, movie insight, or just them looking for others that believe the way they do and to get away from the persicution of society towards them and their beliefs.
Please present some supporting evidence for this persucution, surly as conserned about it as you are you must keep a log book.
Perhaps the people that shun you simply get bored with your shallow reasoning!
dabbler now, you know me and my ponderings as you call it are from the expeirence of what is seen.
papers and people are crtiizeid everyday for beliefs which you know well. even *vampire killings* have recently been in the news. we are talking on VR here and what has drawn us here, Vampire or not beliefs in our thoughts and portrayel of this society.
beleifs are individuals and you make them express them quite well with the thoughts and ideas you bring to these posts. I respect you and the thoughts you give to make them ponder questions or the riddles.
proof is hard , what do you need a poll on indivuals beliefs of vampires maybe. I can only summ what i have seen and been shown, by you
well said and brought to attention many time and now the posts start again.
I believe that a royal caste of overlords practiced vampirism as a form of withcraft and "Vampirism was the central feature of a philosophy based on endocrinology, rather than occult mumbo-jumbo and used the consumption of female blood and mumae to enhance awareness and lead the practitioner to union with godhead.
The powers accompanying such an elevated state of consciousness were called the sidhe or siddhi and were, with vampirism, the foundation of the cults of Druidism, Tantric Kaula Yoga, Qabalism, Alchemy, Rosicrucianism and Witchcraft."
From the following link:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/dragons/esp_sociopol_dragoncourt02_01.htm
Yes, but only if you were apart of the royal bloodline.
From my research, vampires (oupire) were just humans who drank blood as a part of rituals as doorways into deeper seats of consciousness or witchcraft and as the following divulges were Overlords:
"In the Scandinavian countries the craft or ability to gain wisdom or power (Sanskrit - Siddhi) by yielding to daemons or intelligences (ancestral god spirits which were part of the practitioners’ own genetic inheritance and make-up) through trance or dream states was considered to be shamanic and was called Siddir, whilst those who practiced this art were themselves called Siddirs. The Siddir knotted together the web of dreams and loosened those knots to release power and knowledge.
In other words they brought together and spoke or gesticulated a series of mnemonics that would trigger off precontrived, imprinted states of consciousness that acted as doorways into deeper seats of consciousness. In Gaelic Scythian this ability and the name corresponding to it was called the Sidhe, a term used to describe and name the Irish fairies, the Tuadha d’Anu or Tuatha de Danaan as they were later called, a race of priest kings or druid princes."
From the following link:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/dragons/esp_sociopol_dragoncourt02_01.htm
In light of all the great and in depth posts going on,it seems to me that some how,in some way,we are all rp to some degree because we take into what our own interprtaions of what a vampire is and adapt it to our desires,and thus behaviours.Regardless of the history..which is for the most part ignored because it doesnt fit into what we feel our ideal of a Vampire is.And any LHV? would not have the right to call any other NHB(normal human being) a Mundane..because..HLVs are mundanes too.HLVs are no more exceptional that NHB.period.Only a true God would have the right to use that term when speaking of humans or other beings on the planet.
And honestly,with all this so called interest in Vampires,I find it rather discouraging that with the histories that has been provided us by Upir,Doru and a couple others,no one seems to want to accept what in depth and lengthy research has given us... or worse,not even pay any attention.It always comes back down to the argument of who is ...eh crapp,nevermind.
Think I will post this..sorry,I cant resisit.Maybe its time we all take a breath ,relax and smile a bit.
Loved that episode of south park very compelling and to the point. way to go Oceanne
*stifles a chuckle... rather unsuccessfully*
Love it, Oceanne... and you. Thanx!
- Upir'
Daileus "If I moo it doesn't make me a cow does it?" you rock!! Thats one of the funniest thinks I have read in an age!
...as for the whole vampire thing, I do belive in them, so much as there are people in the world who do these things. There is also a vampiric religon, and lifestylers so all in all Vampires are out there and they are real, there doing it...
...still that is a really funny episode of south park.
Dying, and coming back to life.. To Din on the Blood of the Living?