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yeah, i know, this was prolly one of the first threads ever put up on VR, but im still somewhat new. im fascinated by the idea of the immortal vampire. part eastern european lore, part succubus.
yes, silly as it sounds, i would love to become such an immortal, and i sometimes think that if such a thing exists, he/she/it might find their way here, and be amused at our musings.
just would like to see your thoughts. you have no need to post to tell me im an idiot...perhaps i am, but i also believe in gods, and spirits as well. that being the case...why not an immortal vamp?
just my two cents worth ....

Please can you clarify what it is that you wish to discuss about this topic.

Thank you.

I agree with Crying Dutchess....I believe vampires are immortal except for the few ways a vampire can be distroyed. As for an immortal vampire that has no weaknesses or ways of dieing would be something to behold.

You wanna become an immortal?

Is that was this is all about?

Do you you really expect to find a sexy vamp queen running around among all these kids, just looking for a hot guy?

It's probably been said so many times before, but why on earth would they be hanging about on the 'net, spending their eternal time playing?

I'd like to think they'd (if such things exist), would have better things to do, like they always find a way to take over the world, or kidnap cute girls in the movies.

Oh what fun to be immortal. But no sunlight ever, and my love of food is gone or just my taste buds. And the thought of so many I know dead or dieing -yuk.

Grammar, it's an important thing.

I would suggest doing a forum search for more information.

In the realm of possibilities an immortal vampire could exist but there is no real evidence of such a thing. Besides, if I were immortal I would find nothing amusing about something as common as simple and mortal humans.

My hunger for humans would never be mere; they'be be my sweet, my ever renewing love.

give me a second for,hahahahahahaha.....for CrazyOrk,
what a line.

ok,first of all,being a Vampirism is not all about immortal.
there is some of medical issued.like anemia and other,and syndrom as agorafobia,etc..etc.

but,the eart is a big universal that not even close to read all history and cases,so there is somewhere untouch world,with all that beautiful creature as you called, 'Immortal'.

forget to say,you not an idiot.

great imagination is beyond all mind.
that what you are.

They say some vampires are immortal. THey are but as far as I know sunlight just burns hurts their eyes a little nothing else. They like the dark because nothing is there to hurt them. If you are a threat then they kill you. As far as their immortalty that is just the fact that their soul lives on going from body to a new one when it dies. There are some that supposdly live in their one body, but they don't look butiful as far as I kow.

depends on what type of vampire you talking about,if its the vampire type we all know(like in the books or movies) yes they are immortal but not invincible it is possible they could exist,if ageing has something to do with blood and cellur degeneration then it explains why vampires drink blood and are immortal because they are replacing they own blood with the victims to stop ageing also in some films like dracula if he does not feed he ages rapidly.
sang type vampires age slower but are not immortal.

I think I'd stick with normal psychic vampirism. Immortality only sounds good until you're stuck with it. Or so I'd imagine. lol.

immortality/invincibilty is the worst thing that can happen to a manic depressive since they are unable to take they life lol.
anyway immortality is what evetyone wants and its a good job no one has otherwise we will have population problem,besides immortality can be lonely everyone ages and dies around you,but that won't be problem for me since i hate humanity.
anyway like i said before immortal vampires could be possible but i doubt they would want to expose themselves

I still have yet to see a viable physical explanation for immortality. I can't see it as plausible unless there is a way for the human body to last indefinitely. Cellular degeneration and all that...

i said before if a immortal vamp exist they probably use they victims blood to replace they own there for avoiding cellular degeneration but since its not they own blood it probably degrades faster

Replacing your blood does not halt cellular degeneration (see Keith Richards). The human body does not have the capability to support itself for an eternity. Or at least as far as I've seen.

i said vampires not humans,a vampire's body is perhaps different,faster metabolism and so on

But a vampire is generally accepted as someone who was once human. Their body doesn't magically become totally different when they change. There are a few sources that describe a few supposed genetic alterations, but those have yet to be medically verified. I'm not trying to play devil's advocate, but it still seems awfully far-fetched.

Not to mention a faster metabolism would speed up degeneration, if I'm not mistaken...

thats why they have a hunger,and its not so far fetched,you are thinking too logical,a body changing genetically is possible,it could be evolution who knows

Metaphysics still has to follow some semblance of logic. Otherwise there's nothing defining it from pure fantasy.

Evolution takes thousands of years, and you're talking about a transformation that takes only minutes to days (depending on what you read). Not to mention the body of an immortal vampire, regardless of what you read, is dead. Flesh rots when blood ceases to flow through it for any period of time, as cells stop regenerating.

here we go with the sterrotype who in hell says vampires have to be undead? plus evolution does not take just thousands of years,people can evolve through adapting to they enviroment such as caves and so o.
and the changes between human to vampire might be similar to caterpillars and butterflys that they go dorment then awaken as a different being and that dormant stasis might last years

But in the case of metamorphosis, the physical processes carried out in the body of a butterfly (for example) are identical to those carried out in the body of a caterpillar. You're talking about a complete rewiring of the way cells grow, reproduce, and are disposed of. No living organism on the planet is capable of living indefinitely.

Also, there is a difference between environmental adaptation and large-scale evolution. You're not talking about changing from one type of homo sapien to another, you're talking about the equivalent of changing to a different kingdom of organism altogether, with entirely different anatomical processes than any other organism in recorded history. That doesn't happen in just a few years, either. Aside from the fact that as far as we're aware, it's never happened.

i love it when a topic takes on a life of its own.


lets see where to begin...grammer...yes, i quite like kelsey grammer, but id prefer to stick to the subject. (no, dont expect good grammer from me...me be college grad, me talk good! lol)

would an immortal vamp have better things to do than hang out here? sure, but then again, dont we all have better things to do? why should they be all that different assuming they exist?

oh, i certainly believe in psy, sang, ero, etc vamps (being one myself), but im very curious bout the folklore vamp....at least the euro folklore vamp.

could cellular degeneration be slowed or halted? i honestly think that in the future, it will happen. as for the metaphysical....perhaps slowed very much? just a thought.

as for true immortality...no such thing outside of gods.
lets say dracula lives, and decides he wants to die...time to go to the beach and wait for the sun to come up and do some sun bathing. there is always a way to cease to exist...the challenge is to remain in existance.

and frankly while there would be great sadness in watching those you care for finally die, there would also be a sense of adventure as you watch peoples and cultures rise and fall....
ok..perhaps not for everyone, i agree. do i expect a sexy immortal vamp to want to embrace me? no...would i like it? sure!


finally....what was i really asking in this thread? peoples thoughts on the subject of immortal vamps (or immortals in general). could they exist? do they exist?

well, as the bard said...."there are stranger things under heaven and earth than are drempt of in your philosophies"

thats why i enjoy watching ghost hunters.
lol

"No living organism on the planet is capable of living indefinitely." really well you better do some research on wiki and type biological immortality,because there is creatures that are immortal >:)

Okay, since we're playing semantics....

No complex organism on the planet is immortal. The ONLY organism that is biologically immortal (which, I might add, is different from true immortality, as it is the lack of aging, NOT of dying). The very same article states quite clearly that no living organism is truly immortal.

lol you not letting this go are you?
i have been saying that an immortal vampire could be possible,like i said you think too logical lol,just because you can't see it or hear it doesn't mean its not there
and as for the biological workings who know,who cares
perhaps this is the reason they don't reveal themselves because scientist would just experiment on them or whatever,their biological workings are probably very complex and i for one don't care,i live life and enjoy it
i don't care how it works,this is one of many reasons i hate humanity they too curious and always try to find ways to cheat death

Diffrent people have diffrent thoughts. There are several things that people think, and that is where all of these myths come from.

"lol you not letting this go are you?
i have been saying that an immortal vampire could be possible,like i said you think too logical lol,just because you can't see it or hear it doesn't mean its not there
and as for the biological workings who know,who cares
perhaps this is the reason they don't reveal themselves because scientist would just experiment on them or whatever,their biological workings are probably very complex and i for one don't care,i live life and enjoy it
i don't care how it works,this is one of many reasons i hate humanity they too curious and always try to find ways to cheat death"


I believe in a lot of metaphysical phenomena, being a psychic vampire myself. I also believe, however, that there is a physical counterpart to every astral being, object, or event, aka astral body/physical body, the relation between bioelectric energy and spiritual energy, etc. Given this ideal, I always try to follow logic when determining what can/cannot be possible. I've found, more often than not, that the reason we cannot find/verify something is because it doesn't exist. Immortality (of the body) is a purely physical concept. If it were possible, we'd have found at least some sort of possibility of a way to prolong cell growth indefinitely. The closest comparable discovery is the ability to clone animals, effectively suspending the identity of an animal indefinitely, but we still cannot make the original body last for much longer than its established life span.

Rather than live life to enjoy the mystery, I find great pleasure in understanding how everything works. It opens the door to even deeper and more complex mysteries. I'd rather marvel at the complexity and brilliance of string theory than wonder how a light bulb works, if you see what I mean...

first of all what makes you think they have not discovered a way to prolong cells its probably kept secret after all why would the corrupt government let this go public the last thing they want is an over population problem,they probably keeping it for themselves.
well just a theory anyway.

ps you are still too logical lol

Logic is what separates fact from fantasy. If they had discovered a way to prolong cells indefinitely, it would probably be marketed just like every other medical breakthrough: it'd be very expensive. The government would love that! More money for the pharmaceutical corporations who would doubtless leap at the opportunity to make their customers live forever! And it means more tax dollars lining the wallets of every member of congress, and the supreme court justices could keep their positions forever, drastically increasing the power of the Judicial Branch. Imagine, eternal job security. It'd be a blessing to the government if artificial immortality were discovered. They'd have no reason to hush it up.

like i said before -OVER POPULATION- that means chaos and riot,in fact the government would probably have poor people killed to make room,though i don't have a problem with chaos and riots i would like that just the government i have a problem with,they are too controlling and needless to say corrupt(bloody politics)
i am very intuitive i see things very clearly.
but i do understand your pov.

If the rich are being immortalized, you can bet the next step would be the eradication of the poor. After all, if it isn't ethically beyond the government to make people immortal, do you think they'd hesitate to eradicate the "undesirable" individuals in society? Overpopulation is largely a myth. It's population distribution that's causing so many crowding problems. Another point: if the poor are being eliminated, and the rich are being immortalized, do you think (hypothetically, of course) that people would continue to reproduce, or would the population stagnate as the same individuals run the world forever? I'm just curious what you'd think and why.

well they might continue too reproduce and get killed of OR the government might of figured that out and done one of the following...
a)the price of immortality is to sterilize them
b)only allowed one child
c)eliminate a poor country to make room for the high class people

But think, too, if someone is superficial enough to want to live forever, would they really be the kind of people to want children in the first place? Remember, the concept of your children taking care of you when you're older ceases to apply. The entire human mindset would be changed. Would, in this case, people still be concerned with procreation when there's no more need for a new generation?

i doubt it,if someone lives forever i don't think they will need a legacy,but few might still desire offspring because they are still human after all.
mind you immortality does not mean invincible,so they might want procreate.

Well as long as they're eliminating the lower class it brings up yet another point: Is there really a threat to their lives anymore? They have all they want, and are likely getting increasingly richer over time, so I'd imagine they're rather safe from being killed themselves.

Also, if this were the case, and a few people still wanted to procreate for whatever reason, certainly the majority would not be having children, so would government regulation on procreation even be necessary to control the population? Also keep in mind that the very rich make up a VERY small percentage of the population, and the very poor make up a much larger percentage. If the poor are being eliminated on a large scale, there would need to be a veritable boom in population before any sort of regulation was even necessary.

Ao to recap my two new questions: In this new age of immortality, would there still be a risk to the lives of the rich and immortal since the poor are being eradicated?

If the majority of immortal people are not reproducing and the majority population is being eliminated, is there still a need to regulate procreation?

first answer-- thay can still be killed by desease and poison, in fact the more they spend being cooped in they manors their immune system lowers especially the next gen

the second answer--if there is a low population the government may want to rebuild the population maybe out of survival or perhaps they need labourers to keep building cities or in a possible situation they would need an army in times of war

As far as I know the only immortal vampires are those that people have put in fiction. Everyone I have researched otherwise does not go into that area. Only what they supposedly looked like, how they could be killed sometimes how they fed and their general make up like whether they appeared once a year at the same time and things like that. Some had to have a rock or cairn placed over their graves to keep them from returning but it never said straight out they were immortal per se or if there were ways to kill them in all cases. Sometimes it was that they just didn't know how to but I would think if one had their head chopped off that would do the trick unless they could regenerate their head.

As for living forever, unless your family friends were immortal also it would be a very sad experience to watch all those you had loved die around you but of course maybe all emotional attachment would be gone . As far as I am concerned that is what separates the mythological zombie from the vampire; the mindlessness. If I wrote the story I would want to stray from traditional viewpoints.

None of these ideas are based on any verifiable facts but I know for myself if I was immortal and not a blood drinker since most in folklore are not I would go out into space and investigate. Do experiments with time travel and interdimensional travel. I wouldn't stay and stagnate on this tiny little blue globe forever, personally.

like i said,yes they are exist somwhere.
but im afraid you not gonna get those question

because :

1. they not telling around who they are.

2. they don't need any attention that much.

3. they immortality is more beautiful than anything,so why on earth someone knowing about they able to make more happier.

4. be on net,only one reason.talk to the stranger without any complicated than talk or show in front of human.is the best way to be.

and beautiful is not only about the way its look.

Immortality with a hard-line definition isn't possible. However, as some have mentioned we know of plants that can live for thousands of years. Recently a clam was found to have been 405 years old and many whales could live 200-400 years on average.

Of course in a fictional sense it's easy to come up with an immortal vampire.

Immortality in general though, at least to a point, medical science is working on. Several lab rats have had their life spans doubled in research. If that could be applied to humans why not to the not so dead "undead" :)

If your grammar sucks then you'll be pleased to know that I (Xzavier) can't spell my own name at times lol

I agree with CryingDutchess. Though I'm a lycan not a vampyre, both are generally immortal except for sunlight and beheading for the vampyres and silver bullets- anything silver for that matter- and beheading.

You're not physically immortal. I'm a vampire (psychic vampire, none of this roleplaying nonsense) and can attest that i'm not going to live forever. Any increase in your lifespan is marginal. You are not going to live forever, even if you're never beheaded or hit with a silver projectile. Sorry to come across as a jerk, but........... well, I'm a jerk.

yep,immortality to humanity is just fiction for now
but technology is advancing(unfortunatly) and perhaps will extend human life.

Extend, absolutely. The medical field is working wonders with extending the human lifespan. However, it is still incredibly limited. If immortality is ever "developed" (for lack of a better word), it won't be for an incredibly long time. I won't say they aren't going to stumble across some major breakthrough, but I still find it unlikely.

humanity is destroying this world as it is,if they lives were extended there would be more damage to the enviroment.
i only obey natural law and one of many reasons i hate humanity is because they violate the natural law
human's curiousity will be they undoing(i hope)

What, pray tell, is your interpretation of "natural law"? True, humanity rapes the environment, and extension of our lives would ultimately lead to our demise, along with the planet that supports it (in my opinion), but unless the "natural law" that you follow is entirely flawless and ONLY benefits the environment, you are part of the problem as well and don't really have any grounds for hating the rest of humanity (at least for that specific reason).

the natural law is flawless to me,people only complain if they were victims of it,
and as for hating humanity,i have many reason-they violate nature,they weakness and hypocrisy disgusts me,they use technology to do things for them and they are trying to colonise planets.
the mistakes nature has made was giving or evolving humans intelligence and a high curiousity level

So you are saying you yourself are a mistake and shouldn't be here?

Did you know that volcano's actually cause more air pollution than humans every year??? Nature plots one thing to consume another thing and nature eventually wipes out everything.... That's just my thoughts.... Immortality sounds good to some people... (not to me) But its not possible.... Once everything dies out and there is nothing left for the immortal to feed on what happens??? it has no nutrients to provide cells for reproductive purposes... Does it stay immortal or waist away? Waists away because a body needs material to replace older worn out material.. Also to be immortal means that there is not a way for the being to die... Would be a better description to call the being ageless. Doesn't seem immortal to me if I can chop its head off or throw it into a tanning booth and it dies.

immortality and invincibility are two different things
immortal-can never grow old or die of old age
invincible-can't be killed

nature destroys the enviroment to renew it,that is the way of chaos if something stagnates it gets destroyed

So you're saying then if humans destroy something its a natural part of nature because nature created humans?

thats half right,i was meaning nature itself destroying(hurricanes,volcanos etc)
nature created humans just like the rest of the animals but the human animal has choices,if a human destroys something the act my natural but its a choice, they don't destroy in the interest of nature just motivated by personal gain and emotions and beliefs

They are motivated by survival and greed in which is a characteristic in every animal species.

you don't need to build bloody cities to survive
and as for greed i have not seen it in a non-human animal, maybe greed for food but not money or wealth
humans should just be wiped out

"If someone wanted to live forever, would they really be the type to want children?" YES! It's the idea of immortality by any means that extends to children. To be immortalized however they can -- many people have children to "carry on" while others opt to immortalize themselves through act. It's a common trait of any ego-maniac.

I most certainly believe that, should it become possible to extend lifelines, class would dictate expendability. As someone already mentioned, overpopulation would make us like any other animal that is taking up more than its share of the planet. The excess must be cut off. Case in point, can any one name a particular country that limits then number of children had? *looks around the classroom for hands*
Anyone?

Back to the actual topic of immortals and their existence. Since there is no immortal kind enough to grace us with their permission to probe and prod them, I am going to lean toward a hefty "no".

Immortal huh? I dunno, I think while at the onset it sounds like a great idea, but I'm not sure the human mind could handle forever. Imagine an eternity of tax returns? That is of course assuming that the vamp was once human. It differs in the case of say, a god.... who is an infinite being from the get go. It poses an interesting question... Humans being finite beings, would our minds be able to make the transition from mortal to immortal? If you change the hardware, will the same software still run?

Before everyone answers a resounding HELL YEAH!! Think about it and give an honest answer. I don't think immortality is all it's cracked up to be.

It is my opinion that immortality is not an achievable goal. It is nice to think of, however, I think that should a creature exist that has the option to exist immortally, the creature who choose to live this way until they realize, there is only so much the soul can endure. The creature would be forced to watch any and all they love to die around them, for there are probably not many of these creatures throughout the world.

Well people belive in alot of things that they do not see or can touch or anything, so to believe that there is immortality is fair to say if one believes it then to them it would be real. Myself I may believe in alot of stuff yet Immortality of someone actually being is alittle far for my reach. yet who is to say one day it will be real.

Of course alot believe we are immortal once we die and our soul is living on could be considered immortality so I feel alot of it is just how one percieves it.

Vampires do not have to be undead
there are psi vamps, sexual vamps, energy vamps,
vampires are immortal but they are also alive
and normal like us

psi vamps and energy vamps are basically the same since they both absorb energy

I love the ideas of vampires, they are simply amazing. I was raised under a shelter home, so I only learnd of vampires a few years ago, and I love them. I always associated them with a skewed version of superman. almostl like a dark version of super man. Completely implausible, yet so desiriable, Immortal to an extent, has a few weeknesses, just like superman.

I tend to think it all depends on what your concept of immortal is, looks like folks here all have a different idea on what that is. I myself don't think you can be immortal if you can be destroyed and according to folklore vampires can be.


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–adjective
1. not mortal; not liable or subject to death; undying: our immortal souls.
2. remembered or celebrated through all time: the immortal words of Lincoln.
3. not liable to perish or decay; imperishable; everlasting.
4. perpetual; lasting; constant: an immortal enemy.
5. of or pertaining to immortal beings or immortality.
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immmortality is something i once wished for but i found that it may not be everything in a bag of chips i mean what do you live for and you fall in love you have to kill that person and send them into a live of damnation to walk to surface of the earth ofr eternity togehter and i don't believe even the puriest love can stand that long or you dont change that person and watch them die...

As Count Magnus Lee in the 1985 movie version of Vampire Hunter D so eloquently put it:

"I've lived for almost ten thousand years. Believe me you have no idea what that means: boredom. Everlasting and hideous boredom. A never ending search for ways to pass the time..."

Since the topic is not clearly specified, I'll make assumptions as to what is wanted.


I do not believe immortal vampires exist. Nothing can live forever as everything dies. Even if vampires do exist, they will die when the planet dies. Even if vampires do exist, they'll die when their food source dies. Even if vampires exist, they'll die by the hands of another vampire.


Life and death are the main functions of life.

Everything that lives, breathes. Everything that breathes dies. Everything that dies ceases to exist.

very good posts....i would point out that i find it interesting that people that advocate for higher taxes never voluntarily pay more....so i suppose it would be the same that those that want to see the human race perish dont choose to eliminate themselves as a beginning of the solution.

not that im advocating that or anything, but if one doesnt like humanity, one can always get rid of that one small part of it that they exist within.

and yes....i can be a bit of an sob as well.

Legendary vampires would never run amuck and squander their resources --- humans, unless they weren't too bright. Dumb immortal vampires are for comic relief only.

To live forever is to die, and that is part of the vampire myth for that reason- or so I would think.

I sway towards immortality being reincarnation, that way we do live on forever.

I believe in gods and spells and alot of other strange things ,,,, but for me to believe that something can be dead and yet come back to life to live of the living or whatever ---- I don't believe it .

daughteroflestat is an immortal vampire ?

Like most of the forum threads on here I think it is necessary for each one to first tell us in what way they are using the word immortal and, maybe, the word vampire

Most of the vampires of myth and lore were dead - so that's most definitions of immortal right out of the window eh

Immortality is not enough, to simply live forever (if that is what you are using the word immortal to mean) would be awful in a body that falls apart after a century or use

Are we talking about "physically" living forever?

I would not want this.

To watch all of my friends and family die over time. I believe I would eventually come to the conclusion that I would rather be dead.

I think the idea of physically living forever is way over rated.

Besides, if medicine advances to this point, who could afford it? Who would decide who gets it? How would our laws change? How would we compensate for overpopulation? Would we have enough resourses?

The romance is nice, but not realistic.

I'm not a vampyre but everyone everything has to die. ven plants although they may get away with a long life. It's great that you have an imagination but dont put all your eggs in a basket before theyy hatch.

And death although this will sound creepy is a gift that god gave us. Yes heaven is better than earth and hell well maybe if your evil you'll like burning there too. lol

Enjoy your life but be thankfull immortality doesnt exsist.

when i used the term "immortal", i was meaning the classic vampire of fiction and folklore. while i agree that the odds against something are great, i do like to explore possibilities...i have seen too many things in this world (and some could only be called supernatural) to discount something because it is unlikely.

Even if something CAN live forever it doesnt mean it cant be killed...or that it would even want to. I'm, therefore, not a believer.

But as I've said many, many times now, barring some massive bio-technological breakthrough, there aren't and never will be immortal vampires, or anything immortal, for that matter (with the exception of bacteriums that continue to reproduce indefinitely).

We do not know the answer to this query, yet "anything" is possible. Throughout history a vampire's existance has been documented and that information has been destroyed by unbelievers or so we are told. But world wide the stories remain.

alright. i just want to say somthing to the two that are fighting constantly on this thred...

vampires....they exsist
imortals...they exsist
magick...it exsists

a vampire is bound to earth forever as a CURSE not a blessing

over thinking this is just a way to piss people off and take the fun out of the site
your suposed to have fun with this not argue like children.

vampires are created through magick, hunger, lust, or love.

to think that imortal vampires dont exsist is just foolish
they exsist. they are very real.

its just like if i said that psychic vampires werent real
or if blood vampires werent reall

i could say it all day long, and believe im right

but im wrong...

so play nice. believe in the vampire itself. not how its possible, or how improbable it could be

That's ridiculous, and you know it. To believe in something and not seek to understand it is called "faith" aka "mental illness". Everything that exists on this plane of existence has to have at least a pseudo-physical reason for existence. Regardless of any "curse", it is IMPOSSIBLE for a human body to exist - let alone function - forever. Learn to separate metaphysics from fantasy, please.

And next time, if you're going to make silly claims, perhaps you could present some sort of case for them, maybe even with evidence?

Nothing is ever really immortal. "Vamps" can be killed, memories can and are forgotten quite often as are the stories passed down from generation to generation. Truths are stretched and eventually become lies. Unless it can live forever without the ability to die or be killed and likewise, never be forgotten, it is never truely immortal, now is it? ^_^

I still stand by my assertion that if they [vampires] were at any point human, they cannot be physically immortal. As for spiritual immortality, that's another story altogether, and doesn't quite match up with the storybook ideal. lol.

Sadly most information in the mainstream is false sterotypes. I think learning as much from true sources is the best way to know the truth.

* double take.. what happened to separating make believe from reality?

Those that say anything is possible, can easily prove so, by defying the laws of physics, starting with gravity.

dabbler, I thought the same thing. Some people are too willing to believe the impossible. Even the astral has rules, though I'm sure they're not nearly as stringent as our own laws of physics. lol.

and eviljen, perhaps you wouldn't mind telling us what you consider to be the "true sources"? If you're talking about sources of info on immortal vampires, I'm rather inclined to believe the storybooks are the ONLY place to look, as that's where the myths started. Physical immortality is IMPOSSIBLE.

i live like a vampire, i;m sanguinarian , sleep in a coffin avoid sun light, work at night and the day in a lab without going outside. have 3 mignons doing my chores during the day and watching over my rest but for immortality i wonder if i would like it ..... having to see all yur love ones diying and if i have children one day surviving them would probably put me in great dispair well i'm not to good explaining in english but my point is immortality don't think i'll enjoy it !!!!!

saying "anything is possible" is generally a cop out from any sort of meaningful discussion. If ANYTHING is possible...why ask any questions at all? The answer would always be the same...anything is possible. Seriously, anything is not always possible.

but speaking as someone with a strong background in the sciences, almost anything IS possible....but perhaps not probable.

that said, when i refered to immortal vamps, i was just referring to the vamp of folklore and hollywood. the vamp that doesn't die of old age.
note...the hollywood vamps almost always do die at the end of the movie.

i do think that there is a bit too much discord in this thread, and while id like a discussion of the possibilities, id rather it not just be a pissing contest. please don't make me kill the thread...im really very curious about folks opinions.

just saying over and over that it isnt possible, is a bit like going to a pagan gathering, and telling them that there is only one god, and they are all going to hell.

Just a thought here ....after skimming through the responces. Weather or not "immortal" vampires are real, is up to whomever either has the biggest imagination OR the most facts.

In saying that , let me point out that medically this affliction cannot exsist . BUT ...in spirit of this thread AND this web site , is not a immortal vampire already DEAD..in a way , to were it stops growing old , stops decaying ...a ...sort of "living" being , yet not quite so. A almost god-like creature , forever earthly bound to walk amoungst the so-called "living'.
This boarders along the lines of old school religion my friends , NOT pure science. Pure science even has it's own faults and flaws, whos to say what is real and is not these days. Especially when there are so many chiefs and not enough indians!

What I feel is the most intreaging is that at one time everyone had SOMETHING to believe in , .....something to "look forward ' to or at the least pray for.

Tell me now , what do we , on these lines have now?

Is "GOD" a myth too , or Jesus? Can ALL the things they had done be real.....lets not even limit it to just a christan religion.... how about ALL of them!? Or is it story telling , handed down through the ages. Rumor , and we all know how that ends up turning out in all our lives at one time or another.

Just a poke in the fire.....run with it!!!!

I hate being devil's advocate. I really do. But I do like being the voice of reason, and it seems like we're pushing the bounds of logic here and trying desperately to rationalize fantasy. Even if a vampire is 'dead' ('in a way') or just dead, his/her body still can't last indefinitely. Matter, especially organic matter, decomposes. Every multicellular organism breaks down when cells cease to regenerate. I'm not one to say that all spiritual beliefs are false. I do have my own (which you will probably never know about). I like the concept of Valhalla (for example), but that doesn't mean I think it's any more likely than eternal damnation for anyone who doesn't worship Yahweh. It's the same story over and over again. Stories and myths were made up to explain that which primitive man didn't understand. Whether they held ANY substance whatsoever is irrelevant to this discussion, though I'm sure we could go on discussing those possibilities for days. That which is physically impossible - and this has facts to back it up, unlike the person who tells pagans that they'll go to hell - cannot be real. Regardless of how badly people want to believe it, it doesn't make fantasy any more real.

Yes, sorry to tell you, all religion is substantiated entirely through tradition, aka stories handed down from person to person for ages and ages.Now that we understand how most things work, outdated myths about them are no longer necessary nor applicable. Just because someone had something make-believe to pray to doesn't mean they were better off. For the potential repercussions of such beliefs, you should look at the 'Vampire Faith' discussion.

First, while you are bashing people on a belief that may possibly be fantasized you need to reflect on your own, eclectic.

second, do your research.

"I like the concept of Valhalla (for example), but that doesn't mean I think it's any more likely than eternal damnation for anyone who doesn't worship Yahweh."

Valhalla is a "heaven" for those who defend the weak. Not a damnation.

damnation in the norse mythos would be something more like niflhel.

Hail those who hear
Hail those who know
Hail the Gild
Hail the Gods above.


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Poetic Edda
Members of The RuneGild International.

My views do not state the views of either entities.
I do not claim to, nor do i, hold sway over those views.
I simply state my understanding of them.

Well, I need to put my two cents into the subject. Vampires will never come out of the closet, for the record. They are a race, who preffer to be living on the shadows of our imagination. yes, is a nice topic, but, what will be the reaction of those reading this forum, to find out that Vampire exist and they are more closed then what they think? Probably....FEAR. yes, most of the human race, believe, that they are the only one, that can exist in this planet. May be they are wrong!!

You never know such things might exists . thought not known to most of us and for good reason . i couldn't see the new world governments taking very kindly to a race of nearly unkillable beings could you

So are we just...ignoring the previous posts? Such a race is an impossibility. It's not about inability to believe in it, it's the fact that the idea is IMPOSSIBLE.

Vampires are immortal for the simple fact that their legend transcends the test of time and is told in every culture on earth.

One would need to be alert for other dominate vampires as well, competition is high in any faction, or manifestation of vampires, fiction, or identity based.