Continuations of our conversation02:18 Oct 04 2006
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darkling:
Dear Lownignitus,
I don't see the point in inducting someone who is going to refuse to contribute to the coven. All that really does is prove the stereotype that all goths are power-hungry, brainwashing, satanists who want to control and manipulate people. If you don't release me from the coven, I'm going to leave the site, because you'll be proving to me that this site has become everything I hate in the goth community - that is, a bunch of emo posers filled with high school angst and drama.
Thank you,
Jasenth
On 09:29:30 Oct 01 2006 lownignitus wrote:
I am not gothic, Brainwashing, Power hungry, emo (I hate them all), or a satanist (in fact I do not even believe in him). So all these statements have nothing to do with me.
If you read the rules, Which more then one unbiased person has helped me perfect, I will not release anyone. further more I am not obligates unless your a Sire to have to listen to request to leave my coven.
A person has a choice to be active or not.
By the sounds of it you shouldn't have joined this site anyways if you feel this site is so. If you do leave it will be not my doing, but of your own free choice. Of course I will get blamed for it, but I will rest soundly because I did no wrong.
darkling 21:55:32 Oct 01 2006:
I didn't say you WERE these things, just that this is the way you are coming off, and further more, Satanists don't believe in Satan - Satan came from the sanskrit word for chaos. Do your homework. This website is regarded by many as a "goth" hangout, and you are acting in a way that represents all of the gross stereotypes "goths" are perceived as, which damages the reputation of those who simply enjoy the gothic lifestyle.
You say your rules have been perfected - I'm saying that they are flawed because of how you are representing your people; I am not a sheep, and you can't make me into one.
To add, I joined this site before the covens really started; back when it was a safe place for me to chat with like minded people about vampiric lore and alternative lifestyles. That Cancer chose to turn it into a place where any idiot with enough time to become a sire can start a coven and dictate others behavior was not my choice. I am from Canada; a sovereign democratic nation. I was not raised to follow authority unquestioningly. If you have a problem with this attitude, perhaps you should only take drones into your coven. You seem to have enough people there who want to let you play your power game, why keep me?
On 20:51:42 Oct 02 2006 lownignitus wrote:
I don't see the point in inducting someone who is going to refuse to contribute to the coven. All that really does is prove the stereotype that all goths are power-hungry, brainwashing, satanists who want to control and manipulate people. If you don't release me from the coven, I'm going to leave the site, because you'll be proving to me that this site has become everything I hate in the goth community - that is, a bunch of emo posers filled with high school angst and drama.
Hmm that seems to me like you are implying that that is exactly how I am. but of course I have a different and outside of the box view on things. Like the fact that I do not judge people or things based on a "stereo-type". Only those that are not happy and confident about themselves do such things.
I never said anyone was a sheep. your the one saying it is that way. I am just running a coven with strict structure and guidelines. Based upon a military type structure. Though of course I am talking to a rebel without a cause so that means little to you. Your just focused on "sticking it to the man" and at the moment you have deemed me "The Man".
Well if you have been here that long then you understand the reason to the madness that cancer does. this whole site is a hobby and a test place for philosophies that cancer has. but of course you may be to narrow minded and short sighted to figure that out.
Why do I keep you? well its simple. It is because I enjoy a little drama here and there and people that complain like you feed into it even though you say you dislike it. If you really disliked it you wouldn’t have said anything at all. also would not have sent your lackey after me ether. The only difference between me any you is the fact that I admit that I like a little drama.
well I have had enough chatting for now. Feel free to message me back if it floats your boat, but know I can go on like this forever. I have studied enough psychology that I pick up on things people don’t want to talk about and push those buttons. so go ahead and try if it pleases you.
On 01:03:54 Oct 03 2006 darkling wrote:
I didn't "send" anyone - he wrote of his own regard. And even in the military are you allowed to question your leaders judgement without being punished.
And you didn't have to say anyone was a sheep, your actions speak volumes for you. I do not thrive on "sticking it to the man," I just refuse to give some loser who has been on this site for almost a year less than me power to tell me what to do, think, and believe, which is what your coven is proposing to do. I refuse to rate lazy assholes with a ten, coven-mate or not. I refuse to follow retarded rules without questioning them, especially considering the number of grammatical errors within them. And I definately refuse to show any support to a coven leader who treats his subjects like chattel.
On 02:47:41 Oct 03 2006 lownignitus wrote:
Well to start off with judgement is spelled judgment, and definately is spelled definitely. I also believe the word is cattle not chattel.
I do not claim to be the best writer in the world but there is not a spelling error on the pages. I know I checked them with Word. And second I am not being a tyrant, which is what you are implying. The rules are set up in the cause and effect for. You do what they say and positive comes from them. You do not do as they say and negative comes from them. It is all up to the individual to whether or not they want a negative or a positive consequence. They are tough and strict yes, but they are completely fair because they apply to everyone. I have had at least 30 Coven members tell me that the rules are good and needed they way that they are. I have also had countless others outside the Coven say the same thing. Some where skeptical to start with but once I explained the method to the madness they agreed I was right. In fact almost weekly there is 1 - 2 people asking to be let into this Coven. So obviously it is you that has a personal problem.
As to your friend.. The timing between your first post to me and them harassing me and being vulgar to me is to coincidental to say you when not the cause. But any case you have him to thank on your staying no until you are a Sire. Rudeness is not the way to get anything that one desires. Which I am not being rude at all. I am perfectly within my rights as a Sire and a Coven head to run my Coven this way. The fact that you do not agree is too bad and a tragic causality of circumstances, but it is how it is none the less.
If you think I am only directing my “wrath” at you you are mistaken. I treat each and every person the same way. I even blinded one of my own original staff members because he got too big for his britches. In fact there are a few that are talking in the forums right now fixing to get blinded if they do not start acting civil. There cannot be any order out of chaos unless there are rules. If you really think that Canadians view things completely different then I do, you have not checked out OniKage’s profile yet. He was one of the founding minds and driving forces behind the making of the Coven. And he is breed born and raise Canadian.
I do not treat anyone as sheep, nor do I make any implication to such in my Coven pages. I just expect everyone to learn that on this site, as in real life, shit happens so deal with it. That is the main focus behind the Coven. To see who can adapt and survive and who is so stubborn and set in their ways that they refuse to advance themselves. It’s a test of character and ones sense of duty. I see that you are having a hard time finding the positive light in this event. Which brings me to this point that will piss you off. You are a lot more gothic/emo then you want to admit. The attitude that you are putting forth on this single situation shows that deep down you are truly gothic in your view points, and that deep down your actions say that you are a more then a little emo. Me I know who I am. I am a punk/metal head/goth and damn proud of it. I am not afraid to say what is on my mind and if it pisses people off oh well. The truth hurts, because it is what people want to refuses to accept. I use my darker look on life to see how I can use it to turn any given circumstance in to a positive. Sometimes it works sometimes it does not. But I at least try to do the positive thing first. Because then I can at least say I gave it my best and all.
I am a perfectionist not a control freak. I grew up with to many of those in my life to turn into one myself. The out comes of being one is too negative for me. So instead of trying to control the world around me I control myself. You can ask anybody. I am one of the most disciplined people that a lot of people know. My Coven is not about control, but about lifting people to standards that they didn’t even know that was possible for them to do. For some of them it is a big confidence boost to have achieved something so great. But I do not expect you to understand this.
Well I have spent too much of my time on this reply already, though I think my English teacher would be proud of me for the way I wrote it. I must bid you adue and am looking for your next humorous reply.
You “Enslaver”,
Lown Ignitus
Master of IFBW
On 16:03:51 Oct 03 2006 darkling wrote:
Fine. Keep me. But until I see an ounce of respect from you, you will not be seeing any from me.
And chattel is a different word than cattle, although it means generally the same thing.
On 22:29:12 Oct 03 2006 lownignitus wrote:
Respect? You talk to me about respect?
the first message you even sent me you cussed and insulted me when I had done nothing but done as the rules of VR let me. If your going to attack me for following rules then you get no respect until I see a reason too.
I actually did give you respect and infact I still am. I can respect a person and still not agree with what they are saying or not do as they wish. I respect you as a person, but they way you are acting does not merit me just letting you do as you wish.
Infact my first reply was nothing but respectful. So I do not see where you get off by demanding respect from me when it is already there. Though if you mean respect as in roll over and do what you want of releasing you, then you are sadly mistaken
On 02:04:58 Oct 04 2006 darkling wrote:
I don't recall cussing at all in my first message to you.
And the rules of your coven show no respect for those in it.
On 02:13:23 Oct 04 2006 lownignitus wrote:
Actually yes they do. Very much so they do. You just do not see it because you've never had any military experience. My rules are similar in structure and I have had more then one person that is in my coven and with such experience thank me and say its a wonderful structure.
It seems that you have run out of steam. your replies have gotten shorter and shorter still. Is it that you are starting to realize that maybe I am right after all? hmmm .. maybe maybe not... I know you will deny it though.
I would send you a copy of the message if I had it, but you did say those damn rules.
FROM: darkling
and damn is hardly a cuss word - as a former sailor, I've heard words to make your ears bleed. The reason my replies are getting so short is because I have much better things to do with my time then talk to some low life, scum sucking, totalitarian prick who probably still lives in his parent's basement and gets his mommy to wipe his rear end.
Me:
Well Coast Guard doesn't really count as military.
I happen to live on my own and have done things on my own since the age of 8. I have no need to further this conversation with you. As it tires me greatly. I have not replied back because other things are more important, but though I should clear things up and inform you that I am blocking you.
Have a nice day. Oh and if you want out read the new rule. 2000 favor you must earn.
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