An evolutionary problem?
I was watching a show about monkeys and language, it was very interesting. During the first half they focused on primates in African and the second half on primate in South America.
Now for those of you who know me I don't subscribe to direct evolution, that is one group of animals evolving into another. I do believe in adaptation, micro-evolution and the like.
Something all would agree to is the fact that evolution (right or wrong) takes time and is exceedingly rare. The chances of say a squirrel in the US evolving into a bat and a squirrel in Europe also evolving into a bat (without any connection between the two) is pretty much impossible. Two evolutionary paths don't repeat.
I could be wrong about all of this but it's something to think about.
North and South America didn't connect until 20 million years ago (mya) but South America and Africa (where primate first came to be) split 120-100mya. And N. America and Africa didn't split until 150mya or so. The problem is the first real primate didn't evolve until 50mya.
So say that any monkeys on N. America migrated to S. America 20may, that isn't so hard to follow. But to say that the same few species of pro-simians jumped ship from Africa to NA (when they split) and then to SA when they connected, given the vastly different eco-systems, and then both sides evolved into incredibly similar species is a bit hard for me to really understand. Especially when there is at least 50mya of time to evolve.
One theory is that some primates migrated hundreds of miles across seas and oceans on floating mats of vegetation. I would be ok with that if it didn't sound completely retarded. Take a small mammal (say a cat or even monkey) put it on a salt-water logged pile of veg. and set it adrift for say 3 weeks to 3 months, I'm not so sure it would survive..needing fresh water and food and all.
So the "drift" theory really doesn't cut it.
There are a lot of problems with the way primates are said to have come to be on this side of the globe and then to say they followed mirror evolutionary paths is a bit much. Take evolution and dino's for example. The same group of animals, one continue as reptiles and the other (some say) turned into birds, all over the same distance of time as American and African primates. So doesn't it make sense that SA primates should be rather different in fundamental ways?
Another question is why there aren't any primates in NA today? You could say that the Ice Age drove them south or into extinction but then we don't find masses of bones like we do the other animals of that time and if that's so why didn't they migrate back north once it was warm enough for them again?
I know a lot about evolution but I'm not an expert, I know tons about geology and a fair amount of biology but I just don't get it. Maybe I missed a few classes I shouldn't. To me it would seem that the theories need re-working a fair deal. Really these are just some questions I have and I could be staring the answer but it just isn't jumping out at me.
"Homosexuality and Christianity" it took 3 days to write but I hope it was worth it and will make you think and if it applies to you I hope it will help you come to peace with who you are. If you'd like to re-post it ~~anywhere~~ please just send me a message.
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twisted perversion of historical events can be spun in so many directions it leaves one wondering if anything is really taboo.
Now that is an eye-opener about the Quaker's point of view on homosexuality.
OH! I am going to cut and copy this! I hope you don't mind. I have been using that very argument on the Sodam and Gamor...what have you forever and I didn't even know that about the names.
My parents are going to hate this, but it proves what I have been telling them since I was 10! Maybe I am not so dumb after all...*wink*
Very detailed. It leaves little to argue bcause you brought up all the major points gay bashers use as an excuse to discriminate against homosexuality. Good job!
The following are some of the most beautiful love letters I've ever read. They are from various historical men/boys to their boy/male lovers.
"Hail my best of masters.
If any sleep comes back to you after the wakeful nights of which you complain, I beseech you write to me and, above all, I beseech you take care of your health. Then hide somewhere and bury that "axe of Tenedos" [proverb for unflinching justice], which you hold over us, and do not, whatever you do, give up your intention of pleading cases, or along with yours let all lips be dumb. . . .
Farewell, breath of my life. Should I not burn with love of you, who have written to me as you have! What shall I do? I cannot cease. Last year it befell me in this very place, and at this very time, to be consumed with a passionate longing for my mother. This year you inflame that my longing. My Lady greets you.
FRONTO TO MARCUS AURELIUS AS CAESAR (139AD)"
"Go on, threaten me as much as you please and attack me with hosts of arguments, yet shall you never drive your lover, I mean me, away; nor shall I the less assert that I love Fronto, or love him the less, because you prove with reasons so various and so vehement that those who are less in love must be more helped and indulged. So passionately, by Hercules, am I in love with you, nor am I frightened off by the law you lay down, and even if you show yourself more forward and facile to others, who are non-lovers, yet will I love you while I have life and health. . . .Farewell, my greatest treasure beneath the sky, my glory.
FRONTO TO MARCUS AURELIUS AS CAESAR (139AD)"
"(1)
The roses, borne on their leaves as on wings, have made haste to come to you. Receive them kindly, either as mementos of Adonis or as tinct of Aphrodite or as eyes of the earth. Yes, a wreath of wild olives becomes an athlete, a tiara worn upright the Great King, and a helmet crest a soldier; but roses become a beautiful boy, both because of affinity of fragrance and because of their distinctive hue. You will not wear the roses: they will wear you.
(2)
The handsome boy, if he is wild and cruel, is a fire; but if he is tame and kind, a shining beacon. Therefore do not consuume me with flame, but let me live; and keep the altar of Compassion in your soul, gaining a firm friend at the price of a short-lived favour; and take time by the forelock – time which alone makes an end of handsome boys even as the populace makes an end of princes. For I fear – yes, I will speak out my thoughts – lest, while you linger and hesitate, your beard may make its advent and may obscure the loveliness of your face, even as the concourse of clouds is wont to hide the sun!..... Ah me! In hesitating we have waxed old – you because you would not divine my love sooner, I because I shrank from asking. So before your springtime quite departs and winter comes upon you, grant springtime’s gifts in the name of Love, I pray.
FLAVIUS PHILOSTRATOS TO A HANDSOME BOY (300s AD)"
"PUALINUS OF NOLA TO AUSONIUS
[c. 385]
You and me: for all time which is given
And destined to mortal men,
For as long as I am held in this confining, limping body,
No matter how far I am separated from you in the world,
You will be neither distant from me nor far from my eyes:
I will hold you, intermingled in my very sinews.
I will see you in my heart and with a loving spirit embrace you;
You will be with me everywhere.
And when released from this bodily prison
I fly from earth
To the spot in heaven where our universal Father places me,
There too I will keep you in my spirit;
Nor will the end which frees me from my body
Release me from your love.
For the mind, once it has survived loss of limbs,
Continues to grow out of its heavenly root,
And therefore must keep both its understanding and affections
Along with its life.
And just as it experiences no death, it will experience no loss of memory
But remain forever alive, forever mindful.
Farewell noble master."
"BO JUYI TO YUAN ZHEN
[805AD]
Since I left home to seek official state
Seven years I have lived in Ch'ang-an.
What have I gained? Only you, Yuan;
So hard it is to bind friendship fast. . . .
We did not go up together for Examination;
We were not serving in the same Department of State.
The bond that joined us lay deeper than outward things;
The rivers of our souls spring from the same well!"
"Paris
12-24 January 1892
I often think of you and see you in my dreams, usually looking sad and depressed. This has added a feeling of compassion to my love for you and makes me love you even more. Oh God! How I want to see you this very minute. Write me a letter from College during some boring lecture and send it to this address (14, Rue Richepanse). It will still reach me as I am staying here for nearly two weeks.
I embrace you with mad tenderness.
Yours
P. Tchaikovsky"
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Lovely. I am in awe.
wow! those are awesome ^^
Through the ages our passions seep through pages and now through our precious cyber world.....
In keeping with my last entry on global warming I thought you all might enjoy some graphs backing up my position that we're still in a cool period and that any warming falls within normal cycles. Humans may have a role in the past 30 years of warming but it still does not go above normal ranges if you look beyond the short (geologically) time of 2,000 years.
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*swoons*
You had me at graphs....
Oh my what big graphs you have.... :)
Qualitative Reconstruction is what it is called my friend., and unlike you most don't have a clue.
What does it mean??
A Qualitative Reconstruction is done when there is no history to go on, in this case a reconstruction is needed because a reliable surface temperature record exists only since about 1850.
Using historical records & data such as times of grape harvests, sea-ice-free periods in harbours, shiping records, and diary entries of frost or heatwaves to produce indications of when it was warm or cold in particular regions. These records are hard to calibrate and are often only a guess of the temprature from a mid evil farmer. further more they are only available sparsely through time. Many of these records are available only from developed regions, and are unlikely to come with a wide sample of data nor will it have a good range of error estimates to confirm the testing results.
Facts are facts, and the facts on globle warming is that there are no hard facts. Globel Warming is a myth. Now if I could just get you on board with the Pyramids. lol
To me, it looks like a major climite change is comeing? idk.... i may be pulling thoughts outta my hat.
Yup you're right we are, however we aren't to blame and there isn't much we can do to stop it either. It's what happens. Humans just happened to be around during the middle part through the ending of a climate cycle, so now we're seeing the end of one and the beginning of another. The new happens to be warm, many changes will happen, many species will go extinct (the ones that are too specialized for cold climate) and others will evolve.
i heard storys of another ice age. but of course a ice age is a way of te earth healing its self too.
But.. now what are all the doom forecasters going to do with their big red Warning Flags?
thanks for collecting the graphs.
(Includes commentary by yours truly)
Al Gore's global warming claims aren't fooling Americans
Tennessee Voices
Once, there was a short-lived sitcom about two lovable but hapless New York City cops who, whenever chaos reigned, always seemed to be elsewhere on some laughable misadventure. As the opening credits rolled, a frustrated dispatcher could be heard mournfully pleading, "Car 54, where are you?"
Recently a similar question has been directed to Al Gore, our resident global-warming alarmist extraordinaire. Perhaps wanting some explanation for the embarrassing revelations of serial fraud committed by the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change or just needing help shoveling record-high snowdrifts, the common folks were met with icy silence. That is, until this past weekend.
On Sunday, Mr. Gore emerged from hibernation and he had something he wanted to say … and say … and say. In The New York Times, the former VP- turned-future-enviro-billionaire needed 2,000 words to let us know how foolish we are to believe our own eyes and frostbitten tootsies. As is normally the case, his lecture was overly wordy and insufferably pedantic, but here's a shot at a synopsis:
We've just endured the second-hottest January in 130 years, glaciers are melting, sea levels are rising, the Earth is suffering widespread droughts and floods simultaneously, hurricanes threaten, species extinctions are accelerating, millions of "climate refugees" are being displaced, civil unrest prevails, large-scale crop failures and pandemic diseases loom, and the "collapse of governance" is inevitable.
To make things even worse, "scientists" have confirmed that global warming has been "grossly understated." Wow! In other words: same old same old. Quixotic Al is back atop his noble methane-emitting steed, and jousting once more with those medieval wind turbines.
The culprit? Well, here goes: Capitalism's victory over communism caused "hubristic" free-market triumphalism that allowed wealthy corporations whose business plans relied on "unrestrained pollution of the atmospheric commons" to weaken advocates of regulatory reform just as the Senate's failure to pass cap-and-trade legislation prevented an otherwise Earth-loving China from reducing its profligate pollution, while at the same time newspapers and magazines were replaced by television "showmen masquerading as political thinkers who packaged hatred and divisiveness as entertainment." Got it? Ipso facto: Things got hot.
Gore and his ilk increasingly resemble the old Japanese soldier who continued to resist surrender on a South Pacific island for three decades after the emperor had called it a day. Al, the war's over. Thousands of legitimate climate scientists have blown your cover. Evidence can be found in Lawrence Solomon's book The Deniers about the "world-renowned scientists who stood up against global-warming hysteria, political persecution and fraud."
For decades, our education and media elite have foisted the false religion of Earth worship on us. The fact that global warming is at the bottom of Americans' list of concerns indicates they get it; and that's a testament to their native intelligence.
--Mike Kimmitt, communications consultant, Franklin.
Http://www.tennessean.com
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Now, before you start calling me some global warming denier let me state that I do in fact believe in global warming. I believe that the Earth is going through a cycle, the same cycle it's been doing for millions of years. We're coming out of an ice age people, of course the Earth is getting warmer. Yes humans have polluted the shit out of the planet but our 150 years of industrialism I'm afraid to admit isn't enough to wreck massive cycles of warming/cooling that can take 1,000 times as long to play out then humanity has even existed. Most of what we see as "proof" of global warming caused by man is conjecture, assumption and plain ole coincidence.
There's a lot we've done wrong and a lot we need to do to make this place better like cutting back on emissions, using renewable fuels, limiting logging, coming up with new ways of fishing the oceans, crop technologies etc but those are all good ideas no matter the case.
I'm sorry Mr. Gore, Bush, nor I, are to blame for Katrina raging along the coast, we aren't to blame for that poor Polar Bear we see everyday on commercials swimming in a "warm" Arctic Sea and we aren't to blame for the bloody Sahara Desert. Many are to blame however for your 5 houses (one of which I've been to in case you forgot) that suck up more energy and produce more carbon in a year then I probably will in my lifetime.
It's scary seeing the Earth change, it really is. But, after freezing my butt off (it's snowed more here than it has in almost a decade) I'm not inclined to feel the collapse of civilisation all because of us evil capitalists. Humans have a very bad habit of having a very short memory. We freak out over warm periods of a decade or century and yet forget that in 1650-1850 there was a small ice age! We also ignore the fact that there have been plenty of times when temperature and carbon were many times greater than it is today and life thrived. Sure we may lose some species and that really does suck but it's called evolution, remember? To think we can control all life, all nature to keep it as we have it now is arrogant, foolish to try and down right stupid.
Again, yes we should do what we can to make things better but we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves. NASA, the UN and many other groups (as well as PBS) are constantly saying we barely understand how our world works yet you and your "sky is falling" ilk never fail to try to control how not only the planet works but how the entire global economy works. Capping CO2 to a degree is one thing but taxing it is another. Everything that lives above water, and most below, gives off carbon in case you forgot. We should work together, not dictate the actions of 6.8 billion people, 192 countries and their $70.2 trillion in yearly output based on non-science and the falling numbers of your bank account.
-Xzavier McInnes
Xzavier is a physicist, pharmacologist, minister, architectural drafter and flaming queen.
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A most interesting read and you've made some great points.
This is great. Cut through the bullshit and gives us understandable facts. When Al Gore went on Oprah to scare everyone, his stock went way down with me. Move over, Al. The flaming queen has spoken!
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Yeah...I read that, and obviously you know me well enough by now...so you can only guess what went through my mind upon reading that article haha.
I wasn't worried about the shortened days...but the first thing that I thought of was, "I wonder if this shift in the earth's axis is going to hurl us closer to Apophis." haha.
I have read time and time again earth's axis will switch how it is tilted.
again this is a job for the bloombox, powercell of the future!!!......i want one!
Not very concerned. You've been really current with all of these things happening and the global warming. It fascinates me, but hell, I won't sit there and fear it. It's not worth it to fear.
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