here is what I feel about the new Black Veil. Please add your thoughts on this07:27 Aug 21 2010
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My view on this is this, FUCK! The new Veil they are forgetting the Sang Vamps. I do not want anything to do with the new ways.... I am old school. I don't care if you use blood or energy to feed.
If you are Vampyric you are loved and respected by me.
Some one said I break the laws because I want nothing to do with the new Veil.
So how can you be the keeper of the Veil?
Well here is what I have to say to that,
The one who has re done it has Broken these laws
( 1.Discretion
This lifestyle is private and sacred. Respect it as such. Use discretion in who you reveal yourself to, and make certain that your motives are to truly communicate about our culture and to engender understanding. By no means should you talk to others about yourself and our community when your motives are for selfish reasons such as self-promotion, sensationalism, and attention getting. Do not hide from your nature, but never show it off to those who won’t understand. )
So let me point out just how he has done this.
Writting books and making it so that the mundane community ( who does not understand about us,Nor do they try. ) can get to them.
Also to make money for him self, and that is selfish and self-promoting.
2.Diversity
Our paths are many, even though the journey we are on is essentially the same. No single one of us has all the answers to who and what we are. Respect everyone’s personal views and practices. We cannot let petty differences of ideology prevent us from maintaining a unified community; there are enough who would attack us from the outside. Our diversity is our strength, Let out differences in viewpoint enrich us but never divide us upon ourselves.
What happened to this pillar?
It was him that said if you drink blood you are not Vampyre, yet he him self does!
What he has done has caused us to divide into sang and psy.
Thus breaking the community in two.
3.Safety
Use sense when indulging in your nature. Do not flaunt what you are in public places. Feed in private and make certain your donors will be discrete about what happens between you. Donors who create rumors and gossip about us are more harm than they’re worth. If you engage in blood-letting, put safety and caution above all other things. Blood-borne diseases are a very real thing, and we cannot risk endangering ourselves or others through irresponsibility. Screen donors carefully, making certain they are in good health both mentally and physically. Never overindulge or get careless. The safety of the entire community rests upon each member’s caution.
Wow this is going to be fun...Going on TV shows making us look bad, Feeding in clubs, getting little boys and girls drunk and high so that he may feed. yet again putting the community at risk, for his deeds.
4.Control
We cannot and should not deny the darkness within. Yet we should not allow it to control us. If our beast or shadow or dark side is given too much sway, it clouds our judgment, making us a danger even to those we love. Never indulge in pointless violence. Never bring willful harm to those who sustain you. Never feed only for the sake of feeding, and never give over to mindless bloodlust. We are not monsters: we are capable of rational thought and self-control. Celebrate the darkness and let it empower you, but never let it enslave your will.
Again
Feeding in clubs, getting little boys and girls drunk and high so that he may feed. yet again putting the community at risk, for his deeds. I guess he has no Control!
5.Lifestyle
Live your life as an example to others in the community. We are privileged to be what we are, but power should be accompanied by responsibility and dignity. Explore and make use of your Vampyre nature, but keep it in balance with material demands. Remember: we may be vampyres, but we are still a part of this world. We must live lives like everyone else here, holding jobs, keeping homes, and getting along with our neighbors. Being what we are is not an excuse to not participate in this reality. Rather, it is an obligation to make it a better place for us to be.
He has shown us he him self can not uphold these pillars, thus making him self to be a prime example of what not to be.
6. Family
We are, all of us, a family, and like all families; various members will not always get along. However, respect the greater community when having your disputes. Do not let your individual problems bring emotional strife to the family as a whole. Settle your differences quietly among one another, only seeking out an elder’s aid in meditation when no other solution seems possible. Never bring your private disputes into public places and never draw other family members into the issue by forcing them to take sides. Like any normal family, we should always make an effort to present a stable and unified face to the rest of the world even when things are not perfect between us.
Family? But we who drink blood are NOT VAMPYRES to him so how is that family. His own people attack publicly those who do, saying they are better then those who do drink blood.
This is why I am Not Strigoi Vii any more.
I am Vampyre.
Yes we have the old Strigoi Vii teachings because back then they did not down any body, they embraced all of the community.
The new Black Veil........
~ THE FIVE PRINCIPLES ~
1. Law: Living Vampires are not criminals and remain within the boundries of mortal corporeal laws.
2. Adults: Living Vampirism is reserved for the adult mind. No minors shall be formally initiated into the Family.
3. Blood: Living Vampires see Blood as a Metaphor for something far more subtle and do not drink of corporeal blood.
4. Quest: Living Vampires respect free will of all sentient beings and never proselytize, only inspire.
5. Secrets: What happens within the Family remains within the Family. Secrets bind and protect the Living Vampire.
what the hell is that bullshit?
How is that for the Vampyric community?
from
http://www.sanguinarius.org/articles/black_veil_4.shtml
The Black Veil has undergone yet another revision. This time, it seems to be a complete rewrite, abandoning previous versions, and scaling back to only 5 tenets. It's been endorsed by many to lend it legitimacy, though few of the names will probably be recognized outside of the increasingly exclusionary Ordo Strigoi Vii. Interestingly, it is now considered by the author to be a trademark of Sabretooth, which is Father Sebastiaan van Houten's fangmaking business. Maybe the Black Veil has come full circle and is now back to it's vampyre lifestyle origins?
I know that it decries the drinking of blood and those who do so. Keeping in mind that vampires drink blood, blood drinkers have the strongest claim to using the word "vampire"; psychic vampirism entails only the concept of vampirism, no actual blood drinking. Those who are real vampires don't have much choice in the matter, unlike pretenders who enjoy the benefits of a separating their make-believe "nightsides" from their very real "daysides". While I will quite readily and happily allow psi feeders to include themselves as "real vampires", I will NOT allow non-blood-drinking psi feeders who exclude blood feeders from being considered "vampires" to get away with it. If anyone shall be excluded, you can guess it will be those who have a weaker claim to the word "vampire". Especially if they start getting snotty and better-than-thou about things.
And what's with this Zhepr (Xeper) that Father Sebastiaan's been going on about since he started getting buddy-buddy with the Temple of the Vampire (ToV)? They seem to be keeping awful close company these days, each using the other for their own purposes. The downside to this is that Sebastiaan is dragging the Sanguinarium (via the Ordo Strigoi Vii) -- and by his influence, the vampire community -- ever closer to, putting it bluntly, a negative spiritual pathway. The Black Veil is evolving ever more into a code for a specific spirituality rather than an ethical code for the vampire community. If you support the Black Veil, my recommendation is to specify which version you support.
Sanguinarius and Sanguinarius.org does not support or endorse this version of the Black Veil; in fact, we repudiate it as being unrealistic and anti-vampire. I am including the document here for historical purposes and to compare to other versions. You are free to accept or reject it, as I have. I still endorse the Black Veil, versions 2 ("13 Rules of the Community") and 3 (2003 version scaled back to 7 tenets).
The Black Veil
(A voluntary code of ethics for the Vampyric Groups and Individuals)
1.Discretion
This lifestyle is private and sacred. Respect it as such. Use discretion in who you reveal yourself to, and make certain that your motives are to truly communicate about our culture and to engender understanding. By no means should you talk to others about yourself and our community when your motives are for selfish reasons such as self-promotion, sensationalism, and attention getting. Do not hide from your nature, but never show it off to those who won’t understand.
2.Diversity
Our paths are many, even though the journey we are on is essentially the same. No single one of us has all the answers to who and what we are. Respect everyone’s personal views and practices. We cannot let petty differences of ideology prevent us from maintaining a unified community; there are enough who would attack us from the outside. Our diversity is our strength, Let out differences in viewpoint enrich us but never divide us upon ourselves.
3.Safety
Use sense when indulging in your nature. Do not flaunt what you are in public places. Feed in private and make certain your donors will be discrete about what happens between you. Donors who create rumors and gossip about us are more harm than they’re worth. If you engage in blood-letting, put safety and caution above all other things. Blood-borne diseases are a very real thing, and we cannot risk endangering ourselves or others through irresponsibility. Screen donors carefully, making certain they are in good health both mentally and physically. Never overindulge or get careless. The safety of the entire community rests upon each member’s caution.
4.Control
We cannot and should not deny the darkness within. Yet we should not allow it to control us. If our beast or shadow or dark side is given too much sway, it clouds our judgment, making us a danger even to those we love. Never indulge in pointless violence. Never bring willful harm to those who sustain you. Never feed only for the sake of feeding, and never give over to mindless bloodlust. We are not monsters: we are capable of rational thought and self-control. Celebrate the darkness and let it empower you, but never let it enslave your will.
5.Lifestyle
Live your life as an example to others in the community. We are privileged to be what we are, but power should be accompanied by responsibility and dignity. Explore and make use of your Vampyre nature, but keep it in balance with material demands. Remember: we may be vampyres, but we are still a part of this world. We must live lives like everyone else here, holding jobs, keeping homes, and getting along with our neighbors. Being what we are is not an excuse to not participate in this reality. Rather, it is an obligation to make it a better place for us to be.
6. Family
We are, all of us, a family, and like all families; various members will not always get along. However, respect the greater community when having your disputes. Do not let your individual problems bring emotional strife to the family as a whole. Settle your differences quietly among one another, only seeking out an elder’s aid in meditation when no other solution seems possible. Never bring your private disputes into public places and never draw other family members into the issue by forcing them to take sides. Like any normal family, we should always make an effort to present a stable and unified face to the rest of the world even when things are not perfect between us.
7. Havens
Our havens are safe places where everyone in the community can come socialize. There are also often public places where we are likely to encounter people who don’t understand our ways. We should respect the patrons of these places as we should also respect the owners of the establishments and always be discrete in our behavior. We should never bring private disputes to a haven. We should never initiate violence in a haven. And we should never do or bring anything illegal into a haven, as this reflects badly upon the community as a whole. The haven is the hub of the whole community, and we should respect is as such, supporting it without business and working to improve its name in the scene so that we can always call it home.
8. Territory
The community is extensive and diverse. Every city has a different way of doing things, and a different hierarchy of rule. When entering a new city, you should familiarize yourself with the local community. Seek out the local havens, learn who is who, and show proper respect where it is due. You should not expect to impose your old way of doing things on this new scene. Rather you should adapt to their rules and be glad of their acceptance. Always be on your best behavior when coming to a new city either to visit or to stay. We are all cautious and territorial by nature, and only by making the most positive impression possible will you be accepted and respected in a new community.
9. Responsibility
This lifestyle is not for everyone. Take care in who you choose to bring into it. Those who are mentally or emotionally unstable have no place among us. They are dangerous and unreliable and may betray us in the future. Make certain that those you choose to bring in are mature enough for this burden. Teach them to control and discretion, and make certain that they respect our ways. You will be responsible for their actions, and their behaviors in the community will be reflected back to you.
10. Elders
There are certain members of our community who have established themselves as just and responsible leaders. These are the people who helped establish local communities, who organize havens, and who work to coordinate the networking of the scene. While their word does not have to be law, they should nevertheless be respected. They have greater experience than many others, and usually greater wisdom. Seek these elders out to settle your disputes, to give you guidance and instruction, and to help you establish yourself in the local scene. Appreciate the elders for all they have given you: if it was not for their dedication, the community would not exist as it does now.
11. Donors
Without those who offer themselves body and soul to us, we would be nothing. We cannot be other that what we are, but it is the donors who sustain our nature. For this service, they should be respected. Never mistreat your donors, physically or emotionally. They are not to be manipulated or leeched off of for more than what the freely offer. Never take them for granted. Appreciate them for the companionship and acceptance which they offer us, which so many others would refuse. This above all: appreciate the gift of their life. That communion is sacred. Never fail to treat them as such.
12. Leadership
When you choose to take a position of authority in the community, remember that you do not lead for yourself alone. Leadership is a responsibility, not a privilege. A good leader must set an example for everyone through his actions and behavior. His motives should be selfless and pure, and he should put the interests of the whole community before his own. The best leaders are those who serve to better to community and whose person and behavior gives no one- even those outside of the community - a reason to criticize them.
13. Ideals
Being a Vampyre is not just about feeding upon life.
That is what we do, But not necessarily what we are.
It is our place to represent Darkness in a world blinded by light.
We are about being different and accepting that difference as something that empowers us
And makes us unique.
We are about accepting the Darkness within ourselves and embracing that Darkness to make us whole beings.
We are about celebrating the thresholds: Body and Spirit, Pleasure, Pain, Life and Death.
Our lives should be lived as a message to the world about the beauty of accepting the whole self, of living without guilt and without shame, and celebrating the unique and beautiful essence of every single soul.
Copy Right 1995-2001 by Sabertooth. Revised by Michelle Belanger of House Kheperu.
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